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Vortex Defender XL
Taking a first, rather extensive, look.
November 02, 2024
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When I visited Vortex back in September, I mentioned that I took a quick look at their new line of Defender red dot sights.


While all three are pretty nice, I thought the largest variant, the XL, stood out.  Despite being relatively compact and having a substantially large window, it seemed to maintain collimation quality very well pretty close to the edges.  That was noteworthy.

Now, I have done a good amount of shooting with it and have some initial thoughts.

The main reason I went with the XL version is two fold.  One is that it looked to have a very large sweetspot.  Another is that while the overall trend with pistol mounted red dot sights is toward enclosed emitter designs, one of the areas where open emitter sights have a distinct advantage is window size.  If you try to make an enclosed emitter RDS with a window this big, it will no longer be practical on a pistol.  Too big.

One of the long running experiments I have going on is an attempt to figure out how much of an issue (for me) is window size.  Many people want the largest window possible.  Others do not hugely care.  In principle, with a larger window size, your follow-up shot can be faster if you enver lost sight of the dot due to the recoil impulse.

In practice, I tend to shoot with rather slim and compact handguns a lot (Glock 43x or 48 most commonly), where the gun moves enough to always lose the dot.  Since you always ahve to reacquire it, the larger window size does not seem to offer all THAT much of an advantage.

Now, I have three similarly sized Glocks (two GLock17 and one 34) with different size red dot sights: Vortex Defender XL, Shield RMS2 and Leupold Deltapoint Micro.  I am going to do some experimentation and see how quickly the gun settles back on target for me with all three.  

The Defender XL is somewhat new for me, so before I do anything with a shot timer, I am just making sure I do some practice with it.

There are several reasons, other than the large window that made me the XL version of the Defender intersting.  I wanted to see if the size will prove to be a hindrance for carry.  I also really liked how they did the battery compartment.  It also comes with the largest dot size of the three: 8MOA.

There are three models: XL, ST and CCW.  XL and ST use DPP footprint.  CCW uses RMS/RMSc footprint.  Parallax and distortion seemed very well corrected on all three.

The window size of the XL is 25.5x23.5mm (WxH). On the ST it is 23x20mm.  On the CCW it is 20x16mm 

In practical terms, the width of the window on the XL is about the same (very slightly narrower)as the width of a full size Glock slide.

The housing, naturally, extends a little bit wider with the widest point being the brightness control buttons on the left and the right.  That makes them very easy to find via the tactile feel.  It also makes me wonder if I will accidentally press them when carrying the gun, so that is something to experiment with.  I do not have any issue concealing a full size pistol, especially now that we are at the beginning of November.  I will keep an eye out for that.  Generally, for a carry gun, I prefer autoadjust brightness, but there are conflicting opinions on that.

In terms of durability, I do not expect any issues.  I know that these were seriously abused during the design phase and the people at Vortex I have talked to do not seem to have any concerns about durability of the Defender red dots.  I am looking at a sample of one, so it is not like I can do anything statistically significant there.

The XL comes with either 5MOA or 8MOA dot size.  ST and CCW are available with 3MOA and 6MOA options.  I have long been a proponent of larger dot sizes in handgun red dot sights.  It seems like competition guys are on board with that (XL is aimed at them to some degree), but why you would want smaller dots on the ST and CCW that are ostensibly aimed at the consumer carry handgun market is not clear to me.  I suspect Vortex is simply giving people what they are asking for even if they are asking for something that makes no sense.

That's the difference, I suppose, between people who criticise stuff for a living (yours truly) and people who have to sell stuff for a living (Vortex).  They have to be very cognizant of what their customers are asking.  I am very curous what the relative sales numbers for different dot sizes are.

The Defender XL I have here came with an 8MOA dot and that is just about perfect.

For an example of what that looks like, here is an 8MOA dot on a 7'x12" plate at 52 yards (note that the red splash to the right of the dot is a reflection off of the camera lens; it is not there when you are using the sight).

There are several reasons I prefer larger dots: they are easy to see at lower relative brightness, they work better with mild astigmatism, they are easy to pick up.  Also, if you are shooting a little further out, it is a little easire to compensate for drop.  For example, if you sight your dot in at 25 yards, with a typical 9mm, you have about 2 inches of drop at 50 yards, about 4 inches of drop at 75 yards and about 10 inches of drop at 100 yards.  On a hundred yard plate, I just place the lower edge of an 8MOA dot on the top edge of the plate.

XL and ST use 2032 batteries.  CCW uses a smaller 1632.  All three have shake awake, so I expect the batteries to last for a while. With all three, the battery is accessible from the top, so you do not have to remove the optic to change batteries. With ST and CCW, the battery cap is simply threaded in, which is uniformly a pain in the ass for many reflex sights out there, including these.  Vortex does give you a tool for that and it sorta works, but I much prefer how they did it with the XL.  Since they had more space to work with, the battery cap is hinged at the front and is released with a simple button.  Not only does it make battery replacement a breeze, it also makes sure you can not get your fingerprint onto the inside fo the lens while messing with the battery.

Shooting with it, my initial impressions are very positive.  Everything worked as it should.  Nothing shifted.  Zeroing in was a breeze, and it stayed zeroed.

Getting on target was VERY quick.  I am not a high speed/low drag kind of guy, so I suspect in the hands of a truly skilled shooter this thing would be blazing.

The gun I have it on is a very modofied version of G17.  The frame started life as a G31 which was the first handgun I ever bought.  I have somewhere between 150k and 200k rounds fired with that frame between the original 357Sig, the later 9mm and also the Advantage Arms 22LR conversion kit.  As you can imagine, all the springs have been replaced more than once.

At some point, I sent it in for a grip reduction, since I do not like the figner grooves very much.  The grip was made slightly smaller and shortened to accept both 17 and 19 magazines.

The trigger I have in it is the Gen3 version of Haley Stregic's Skimmer trigger.

The slide is the first gen Atom from Unity Tactical with the OEM Glock barrel, Lone Wolf striker and extractor.

It is still a Glock, albeit a nice one.

For the side-by-side I am planning to do, the RMS2 sits on a Gen5 Glock 17 that is stock other than sporting a Timney trigger.  Deltapoint Micro is on a bone stock G34. 

Generally, I fully admit that Deltapoint Micro is more appropriate on a slimline G48, but I wanted the guns to be broadly comparable.  Once this test is done, the Micro will go back onto a smaller gun and G34 will be milled for a different optic, probably for Acro footprint.

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This week was my kids' spring break, so we ended up going on a road trip of sorts.  We flew to Houston, rented a car, visited the Space Center, checked out Galveston, then drove up to Dallas.  My dayjob is in Dallas and I need to visit the office occasionally.  Truthfully, I need to visit the office more often than I currently do, but given my family situation that is a little tricky.

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I've known John for a few years.  He has visited with me about three years ago to talk about his their reticle idea and a few other things  

I think the reticle idea is sound and we should see a version of it in a scope soon enough.  I'll do a thorough coverage at that point.

This time around, the reticle was not the main reason behind my visit.  John is a creative guy and they do several interesting things there.  Everything they do is clever and outside the box.  For example, to the best of my knowledge, they were the first to come up with different ways to shift the POI for ELR shooting with their TARAC devices.  Alpha and Bravo TARAC devices use prisms to shift the zero of the optic, but a predetermined angle.  I have a flip-up Alpha TARAC set up to help with my subsonic ELR pursuits.  Bravo TARAC attaches the prism to the objective of the riflescope which works beter with large objective designs.  Since Tacom came up with it, the idea has been pirated by a couple of people, most prominently by Nightforce.  Technically, Tacom has a patent on it, but this appears to be a situation where a large company (Nightforce) shamelessly muscled a small company (TacomHQ) out of their IP, knowing fully well that they have more money for lawyers.  To be fair, John does not talk about it too much, so this is just a guess on my part (although I am sure I am going to get a nastygram from Nightforce lawyers for posting this.  They seem to really enjoy pushing small independent guys around).

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Before I wrap up, let's get back to the heat management argument for a moment.  The 300NM I shot was significantly accurate and it is at a bit over 2800 rounds.  That sounds outlandish given that is nearly triple of I would expect out of this caliber.  However, if the chamber never gets very hot, it is possible.  I really want to know how long the 6.5CM John is building for me will last.  I have high hopes.

 

 

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Here is an interesting question I got after the last livestream
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I got an interesting question via Youtube after the last livestream.  Here is it is verbatim:

"Ilya I hope you read the comments. I’ve got an optics question that I can’t seem to find an answer to. 
In reference to competition style scopes. Ones that seem geared towards PRS or other similar styles of shooting. Is there some good reason that the manufacturers constantly put out stuff with a low end mag that is basically unusable? Weight? Clarity? Something else?
I’m thinking of things like the K540i, Vortex 6-36, Tangent, Zco. I’ve never seen anyone shoot these scopes below 10x and most of their reticles are completely unreadable at low magnification. Why not start the low end at something like 10x or 12x and use a similar or lower zoom ratio? A 10-30 seems much more useful in PRS compared to a 5-25 since it’s my understanding that a lower zoom ratio is easier to make."

The biggest reason is simply marketing.  People who actually compete are a relatively small minority.  They do not really need low magnification.  Most people who spend money on scopes are looking at specs and a large magnification ratio is more marketable.  There are of course other practical reasons too.

When you design a riflescope, you are generally trying to hit multiple birds with one stone.

For example, if you want it to appeal to some potential military contracts, you need some sort of a viable low magnification to use with clip-ons.  Many of the clip-ons available to the military work pretty well on higher magnifications, but they generally want to have low pwoer in the 4x to 7x range.

As far as the reticle not being usable on low power, that is a consequence of making reticle very thin for use on high power.  This is also where military applications and civilian competition applications have different needs.  More military oriented reticles tend to be slightly thicker and I often prefer those.  

However, the simple truth is that reticle illumination pretty much solves that problem nicely since most low power use is in low or fading light.

The extended range features of a reticle (christmas tree, etc) seldom come into play in low light, so if the reticle simply has something like an illuminated cross, it works very well.

For what it is worth, even in daylight, I shoot my Tangents below 10x all the time, though not much belwo 10x.  In NRL Hunter matches, for example, since I am pretty new at this and have a hard time finding the plate, I figured out during my very first match that keeping my 7-35x Tangent on 9x, really helps me get behind the rifle quickly and get it stable quickly.  As I got a little better at getting into a proper shooting position efficiently, I bumped it up to about 12x.  When practicing, I routinely keep magnification low when shooting off of props.  When I am not pressed for time and shoot a bit further out, I'll bump up the magnification a little to have a better look at the mirage.  However, I virtually never shoot above 20x unless I am screwing around with some very small targets at close ranges (like the 1/4" hanger on the KYL rack) which is mostly done with rimfires and airguns.

Moving on.... a few years ago when I was chatting with a guy who designs riflescopes for a living, I asked him that the ideal magnification ratio is, where you have a good enough magnification range without any really significant optical compromises.  He said that it is right around 5x, i.e. 5-25x, 7-35x, etc.  When riflescope optical systems are designed, they are not all ground up designs.  For example, you can take a well worked out erector system and use it in a range of scopes.  LPVOs are a little different, but you can use more or less the same erector and eyepiece for several different designs: 2-12x, 3-18x, 4-24x, 5-30x can have very significant part commonality.  Noone is itching to design a standalone 3x erector just for the highest magnification scope because it just adds extra cost and might not offer any advantages beyond potentially slightly lighter scope and somewhat easier assembly/alignment.  

The idea of a competition dedicated high power riflescope that is 10-30x or something along those lines comes up every few years as does the concept of a dedicated 14x fully optimized for matches.  Every time, it fails the basic test of economics: how much will it cost to develop vs how many you might sell.

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First Look at The Ultimate Mountain Rifle

As many of you are likely aware, I am heading out to Montana for a mule deer hunt in a few days.  I will also have an additional cow elk tag, since I did not draw anythign in New Mexico.

My original plan was to borrow one of the MegaFix prototypes from Q.  However, all three properly fucntioning prototypes of the MEgaFix they have are in Africa taking down a broad range of animals.  The way I go hunting usually involves two rifles.  One primary, which is typcially something I am doing an article on and one backup which is something I know works in case I need it in a pinch.

My backup rifle is the OG Fix chambered for 308Win.  You have seen this gun many times over the years.  It was the subject of a dedicated video.  

I hunt with it and occasionally shoot NRL Hunter matches with it (shot two this year).  

As configured, it clocks in at a bit under 11lbs with the scope, https://alnk.to/af179CG, bipod, full length Arca rail from Sawtooth and LSP vertical grip.  I could make it a little lighter, but after some consideration, I decided to keep it in this configuration.  Eventually, I will upgrade it to Area 419 rings (I have been slowly switching to them almost across the board), but beyond that I plan to do absolutely nothing with it until I finally shoot the barrel out.  Ammo is a different ballgame and I am about to embark on an experiment with NAS3 cases, but that's a story for another day.

I still wanted somethign new to test, so I reched out to my Guns & Ammo editor to see if he has any ideas.  He usually does and this case was not the exception.  He connected me with a gentleman who owns a Canadian company called Alpine Riflecraft.  They are on a mission to make the world's best mountain hunting rifle and the Zenith is the product of their efforts.

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