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September 27, 2024

I was at the range again...

It appears that I start many of my posts with that phrase.  I should probably stop making that disclaimer.  At this point it should be abundantly apparent that I spend a lot of time at the range.

I always have a good reason.  I cleaned the barrel of my muzzleloader yesterday and needed to make a couple of fouling shots before I go hunting tomorrow.  Since I was there anyway, I figured I should do some tripod shooting practice, so I brought one of my ARs with me.  It is an unusual AR since it has a very unique AlSiC wrapped barrel.  AlSiC (Aluminum Silicon Carbide) is an interesting material that can be tuned to perfectly match thermal expansion of whatever it is wrapped around.  It has an incredibly high thermal conductivity coefficient, so it absorbs heat very fast and sheds it equally quickly.  There was a company looking to make barrels where isntead of carbon fiber, a thin steel barrel is wrapped in AlSiC.  The project did not pan out (they vanished on me at some point), but they did make me one barrel.  It has an intereting property in that it seems to exhibit very little POI shift with heat.  It is not the most accurate barrel I have, but it is accurate enough and it is consistent.  It runs a little on the slow side, but it works.  Somehow this rifle ended up being the test bed for the Delta Stryker 3.5-21x44, which happens to be one of my favourite precision gas gun scopes, so I shoot this rifle a lot.  So much so that I think I am going to go swap out the Bootleg Camlock handguard currently on it for the 12" Q Honey Badger handguard I have.  For what it is worth, while I really like the adjustable bolt carriers from Bootleg, their Camlock handguard is a wobbly, bendy, slidy piece of crap.

There are many excellent handguards on the market.  I tend to default to the ones from Q more often than not, but I have several I like from BMC, Aero, MI, etc.  They are all good.  They all work.  Bootleg's Camlock does not stay put.  The engagement of the handguard to the barrel nut is poorly designed.

Moving on...  after hitting the 220 yard plate a couple of times with the iron sighted muzzleloader, I decreed it "good enough to take a shot at a mule deer on an off chance I see one" and switched to the AR-15.

With cheap 55gr ammo, I keep my practice to within 450 yards or so.  The range where I shoot has conveniently placed a bunch of plates at ~430 yards for me to practice on.  I verified zero from the bench (I move stuff around so much, that it is good practice) and transitioned to shooting off of a tripod.

For some reason, I have a very hard time taking a good picture of this reticle handheld.  I'll have to get my fixtures out.  Either way, the above pictuer was taken on 21x and the hangers you see at the bottom left quadrant are at !430 yards.  The illumination is on max setting and is visible but not nuclear on a bright New Mexico day.  Only the main stadia are illuminated, which I like.

Part of routine practice is to shoot offhand using both the primary optic (on low power) and secondary optic.  That's when it dawned on me that I have never really talked much about the SeeAll Sight that I use for redunduncy on a few guns.

https://www.seeallsights.com/

It is a weird looking thing that sorta straddles the gap between iron sights and red dot sights.  It found its home somewhere in that "no mand's land".  It works and it is probably a better option than irons, especially under challenging light conditions.  However, modern red dot sights walk all over it.  Still, I have several of these, which brings up an obvious question: why?

There is really one main reason: they are cheap.  If you check on them through the year and have a little patience, you wil stumble onto some sort of a half off sale.  If that happens late at night after you have been exploring some of the finer qualities of your bourbon collection, you might end up with half a dozen of them.  Ask me how I know.

The sight is very simple.  It is, essentially, a block of greenish edge glow material, a reticle etched on it and a simple lens to project that reticle to your eye.  Some also have tritium for night time use.  They have a couple of picatinny mount versions and a couple of direct mount versions (RMR and RMS).  I have a tleast one of each.  Keeping them properly mounted seems to require a good amount of loctite, but once everything is set up, they stay put and stay zeroed.

The one you are looking at is the RMR base one sitting on Swampfox' rather excellent offset mount.  

Here are the strenghts and weakness of this thing in a nutshell.

 

Strengths:

-small, light, cheap

-focus on the target, not on the aiming point (like on a red dot)

-no batteries

-forgiving of eye astigmatism

 

Weaknesses:

-open design that does not do great in inclement weather

-you bisect the target with the top edge of the sight, so the bottom half of the sight picture is blocked

-eye position is not terribly forgiving (kinda like the irons)

-accuracy with these is tricky

 

If you are setting up an offset optic to use as a primary sight at close range, this is not a good option for you.  

If this is mostly something to get you a little redunduncy, it is not a bad option.  In practical terms, I struggle shooting with this thing beyond 100 yards and I am much happier with it inside of 50.  I can shoot it relatively quickly, but it is distinctly slower than the red dot.  I do not see any speed advantage with this thing over irons unless it is pitch black.  If there is enough light to see the target, there is enough light for the irons and for the SeeAll sight.

Now, if your eyes have a hard time focusing on the front sight, the SeeAll Sight might work a lot better for you. 

Before you all rush out to buy one of these, do keep in mind that you can pick up RS-15 from Primary Arms for $120 right now.  https://alnk.to/9buj4aU  RS-15 is a vastly superior sight to the SeeAll.

However, if you stumble onto a sale where SeeAll sights are going for a $100 or so around Black Friday, it might not be a bad idea to pick one up.  Perhaps, it will agree nicely with your eyes.

Taking a photo of a proper sight picture with this thing turned out to be pretty difficult:

They do have a couple of decent picture with the two available reticle on their website.  

Once I get some of my fixturing set up, I'll take a couple of better pictures and update this post. 

Either way, I know that my take on these sights is a little bipolar.  On one hand, in the grand scheme of things, I am really not a fan.  The way I shoot offhand, I like to drive the gun onto the target and that works very well with red dot sights and not very well with irons or the SeeAll sight.  On the other hand, I have a lot of guns. I like having backup optics on them.  SeeAll Sights do work.  They are wonky, but they work.

 

 

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"Ilya I hope you read the comments. I’ve got an optics question that I can’t seem to find an answer to. 
In reference to competition style scopes. Ones that seem geared towards PRS or other similar styles of shooting. Is there some good reason that the manufacturers constantly put out stuff with a low end mag that is basically unusable? Weight? Clarity? Something else?
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Reference Standard, 2025
Quite a few changes

 

As a reminder, the plan is to choose scopes as my reference standards in a few categories and make sure I keep them on hand for at least a year or so.  If they move on somewhere, I have to designate something else as the reference standard in that category.  There might be a couple of reference standard designs in each category to split them by price range.

Here is the riflescope categorization that I like to use https://darklordofoptics.locals.com/post/5212669/riflescope-type-classification 

Do keep in mind, that some categories I am not as well versed in as I'd like to be.  Also, there might be scopes in each category I consider exceptional, but do not have on hand.  Reference standard has to be something I have here and will use as a basis for comparisons.  I will endeavor to use optics that I believe to be at the top of their category, but it is not always possible.  Natirually, these will lean heavily toward mrad designs.  I avoid MOA like the plague whenever possible.

 

Fixed 1x
Interestingly, I do not actually have any 1x prismatics at the moment.  However, a friend of mine inherited the PA GLx 1x and my brother has Primary Arms SLx 1x Microprism.  https://bit.ly/3uLqu0E I Most of the differences between modern 1x prismatics come down to reticles and eyebox.  On balance, GLx is probably the yardstick for the rest of them.

 

Fixed mag small prism
No changes here.  This can go in a variety of different directions depending on personal preferences and price.  It is not practical to have a reference standard for every magnification and with compact prismatics I do like 3x as a good compromise magnification.  These scopes are a step up from people who have been using red dots with magnifiers and want a better experience at distance.  This one will also go to Primary Arms.  Technically, I like GLx 2x more than SLx 3x, but 2x is such a unique magnification that it is not a very good yard stick for comparisons.  SLX 3x Microprism it is, then.  

 

Fixed mag large prism

Somewhat oddly, with large prism scopes, I start leaning toward higher magnifications.  I want these in 4x or 5x.  I view these differently.  These are, to me, alternatives to LPVOs and spiritual successors of old general purpose 4x and 6x fixed power scopes, except more compact and with wider FOV.  There a couple of good options and, unsurprisingly, my favourites are Element Immersive 5x30  and the discontinued Elcan Spectre OS 4x.  The dual power Spectre DR is still thriving, as expensive as it is.    I have the single magnification 4x and it is a very good yardstick for what a high end prismatic should be.  With the Element, I am clearly biased since I designed the reticle for it.  In other words, I got to put a reticle I could not get other people to make into a scope I like.  You should not be terribly surprised to see it here.

 

LPVO

This one gets tough and there will be several options here.  Keep in mind that I like FFP LPVOs once we get up in price.  One of the reasons it gets tough is that as I keep putting together ARs for various family members, different LPVOs I have tend to migrate elsewhere.

With budget LPVOs, for now, I think Primary Arms SLx 1-6x24 with Nova reticle is the one to beat, but I no longer hae one here.  I should probably get another one and keep it here for comparison purposes.

On the mid-range, it is a battle between SAI6 1-6x24 with mrad reticle and the new PA PLxC 1-8x24 with day bright reticle illumination.  With PA, the reticle got a bit better sicne they went to diffractive illumination, but I would prefer a short mil tree of some sort.  It is light and short with an excellent eyepiece.  With SAI6, I like the whole reticle line-up but lean toward the mrad designs for general purpose use.  The X-Wing style high visbility feature is not for everyone, but it works for me.  I suppose I will keep both here.  

If you go up in price, my basic opinion has not changed.  Vortex Razor Gen3 1-10x24 is the one to beat if you want a nuclear bright reticle.  However, the notably less expensive PA PLxC with RDB reticle is absolutely giving it a run for its money.  The mrad reticle in the Vortex is more my cup of tea, though.

This leaves a little of a "no-man's land" with LPVOs that are designed to be true general purpose designs, like the side focus equipped March Shorty 1-10x24 and Delta Stryker 1-10x28.  They are a little too different to serve as a useful yardstick for anything but each other.  I ended up keeping the Delta.  Side focus really helps behind clip-ons.

 

Dangerous Game

I may have to skip one because I do not really have anything on hand right now (rifle-wise) that fits the description.  If I were to buy one, let's say a traditional 375H&H or 416Rigby, it would get Primary Arms' PLxC 1-8x24 SFP with fiber reticle.  In case it has not come through too well, I really like the PLxC line-up.

 

MPVO

For the time being, the one to rule them all is the dual focal plane March 1.5-15x42 https://bit.ly/4bjm15X  This category, almost by definition, is the one where compromises are made for the most flexibility.  This March is not perfect, but it is the best we currently have.  On the budget end, the yardstick should be Athlon's excellent Helos BTR Gen2 2-12x42, but it is sitting on top of a friend of mine's rifle two states to the West.  It can't be a reference standard if it is not here.  In the meantime, the old reliable SWFA SS 3-9x42 will do.  I have a couple of them.  https://swfa.com/swfa-3-9x42-ss-hd-mil-quad-reticle-30mm-tube-1-mil-clicks-ffp/

There is a big gap between a $600 SWFA and a $3100 March.  In the mid-range, Steiner H6Xi 2-12x42 with STR-Mil reticle is easily my favourite.  If I were going to have only one MPVO and I was payign for it out of my own pocket, Steiner would probably be it, so it is staying here.

 

Tweener

I do not like to use a discontinued scope as a yardstick, but Razor HD LH 1.5-8x32 has got to be it.  It is not a common scope category, so we will hoble along like this until I come up with something still manufactured (that fits the profile and I like).  On the low-ish end of the price range,  I do like SWFA 2.5-10x32 Ultralight and have a couple of them.  https://swfa.com/swfa-2-5-10x32-ss-ultralight-msr-556-bdc-reticle-1-tube-25-moa-clicks/ 

GPO makes a 1.5-9x32, but I do not have one.

 

Crossover

For once, this one is easy and I'll keep it all within a sane-ish price range.  Vortex Razor HD-LHT 4.5-22x50 and Delta Stryker 3.5-21x44 https://annexdefense.com/delta-stryker-hd-3-5-21x44-rifle-scope/ are the purest expressions of the crossover idea I have seen to date, this side of Tangent TT315M that you will see a couple of categories down.

 

Traditional Hunting

This get difficult again because it is not a type of a scope that is common around these parts and the ones I look at do not stick around too long.  I simply happen to be an FFP guy.  However, some hunting scope articles are very much overdue and I do have an excellent Delta Titanium 1.5-9x45.  In sticking with sane prices, let's add Tract Toric 2.5-15x44 with illuminated reticle to this list. 

These two should give me a decent ability to compare.  On the high end, there is the rather remarkable Tangent Theta Long Range Hunter that is the one to beat which is why it is not going anywhere.

 

General Purpose Practical Precision

Given how much this crosses over with, pun intended, crossover designs above, I could have merged them into signle category.  It would make too much sense so here we are.  Tangent Theta TT315M 3-15x50 is still it to me.  It does have limited elevation travel, so you have to be somewhat careful with how you mount it (in extreme cases, Burris XTR Signature rings where you can use their inserts to adjust slope may be needed).   Still, I have found nothing better yet.

If you want something more reasonably priced, I am going to go with the Telson Toxin 3-18x50 which repalces the very nice Burris XTR3i 3.3-18x50.  Both are very solid scopes, but Telson reticle has better visibility and it controls flare a little better.

 

Long Range Practical Precision

I might catch a lot of flack for this one, but so be it.  

High end: There are several spectacularly capable options, but there is a reason I shoot with the different Tangent Thetas, 5-25x56 and 7-35x56

Best bang for the buck on the high end: Vortex Razor Gen3 6-36x56 https://alnk.to/74xn2BV

Mid-range: Delta Stryker 4.5-30x56 (there is a bunch of simlar scopes in this category and I happen to have this one) and Burris XTR PS 5.5-30x56.  I think the heads up display in the XTR PS is a meangful innovation and is the way of the future.

Budget long range: Meopta Optika6 5-30x56 is a pretty decent scope and the one I have(again, there are several to choose from that are similar, but this one is on hand).  Unfortunately it is discontinued.

DNT The One 7-35x56 is easily one of the better budget options and it is here for now.  I am not sure if I will use the DNT as the reference standard since I have a couple of other heading this way that might occupy this role.  I'll know soon.

 

Short Range Target:

I'll have to skip this one for now since I do not do anything along these lines.  The closest I get is my rimfire trainer and I use Vortex Razor Gen3 on that rifle with good success.

 

Long Range Target:

Ditto.  It is not a category I look at much, so I do not have anything on hand that will fit.  I will rectify that.  Until then, the best paper shooting scope I have and intend to keep is March 5-42x56.  It bridges several categories nicely since it is FFP, but it pulls target shooting duty for me.  If I decide to do a comparison review on target scopes, this March will serve as the reference standard.  https://bit.ly/3TdABox

Field Target:

I do not have a Field Target setup, so this category is going to be skipped for now.  Hopefuly, not for too long.  If I were to start shooting Field Target, I'd be using the 5-42x56 March mentioned above.

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