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Riflescope Type Classification

In the aftermath of SHOT, looking at different forum discussions, we seem to be getting into a little bit of a classification issue when it comes to different riflescope types. All sorts of terms get thrown around: LPVO, MPVO, Crossover, Mid-range, Long-range, Precision, Target, etc.
This confusion is not surprising. There is a lot of overlap between all these different configurations and nothing is clear cut. On top of that, it is not like anyone ever bothered to fully define them. I am as guilty of that as the next person, since I have talked about a few particular ones, but never really thought through the entire landscape. Let's give it a shot and let me know if this makes sense. I am going to first list the terms that come to mind and then keep revising this post with definitions as I think through them. Please offer your thoughts in the comments on what you think the definitions should be and whether you think additional terms should be added to the list:

1x Prismatics and RDS

Small Prism Fixed Power

Large Prims Fixed Power

LPVO
LPVO stands for Low Power Variable Optic and it is the easiest of the bunch to define. A riflescope with the magnification range tat goes down to 1x is it. If it works well on 1x, it is a good LPVO. If it does not, it isn't. I often use these as DMR scopes and they do crossover into a few other niches, but the default position of the magnification ring is 1x. I have a few of these here. If you have money to spend, Vortex Razor Gen3 1-10x24 should be on your list https://bit.ly/3w1Ah2T. If you can spend some cash and want the smallest package, that's Primary Arms PLxC 1-8x24 https://bit.ly/3Bn3951. If you want something that leans a little more in the DMR directions, Delta Stryker 1-10x28 https://annexdefense.com/delta-stryker-hd-1-10x28-rifle-scope-do-2517-1-10/. If you are new to LPVOs, Primary Arms SLX 1-6x24 with Nova reticle https://bit.ly/40LeLdt or one of the new SwampFox LPVOs with fiber reticles. I have a few LPVO recommendations (click on the recommendations banner on the right). Depending on how the scope is set up, these can have either SFP or FFP reticles.

Dangerous Game
This is another simple one. It used to mean a light, compact and durable scope of low power that can hold up to the recoil of large caliber hunting rifles. It still means that, but we can add more specificity to it. In the modern world, it is a lightweight LPVO with a high visibility SFP reticle. The reticle is typically a fairly simple pattern. The emphasis, again, is on excellent low power performance. The overall trend with LPVOs is to higher erector ratios. For a DGR scope, I am perfectly fine with a high quality 1-4x. The one additional quirk here is that while for typical LPVO applications, we do not care a ton about long eye relief, for a dangerous game scope, long eye relief is a good thing. Tract 1-8x24 is a good example here. Delta Titanium HD 1-6x24 and Stryker HD 1-6x24 fit the bill very well. Trijicon Accupoint 1-4x24 https://bit.ly/3utRSQu or 1-6x24 https://bit.ly/3OvH0Zo with a post reticle would likely be at the top of my list. Interestingly, the newly announced SFP version of the Primary Arms PLxC 1-8x24 might become the go to choice for this. It has very high build quality and spectacular 1x performance. I should put it onto a lightweight magnum and see if it survives.

MPVO
This is likely to be a more controversial definition than most. To me, this is a FFP scope with low end magnification of 2.5x or less, locking or covered windage turret and zero stop elevation turret. Sidefocus knob is preferred. Reticle should be an illuminated tree type of some sort. This scope is equally likely to be dialed with as held with. It has to work well with a clip-on, so I want the low end FOV to be 8 degrees or wider and I want the overall length to be moderate. 12.5" or less would be great. The reticle has to work well on all magnifications. The hold marks on the tree reticle have to be usable from about 7x on upward. Top end magnification is not critical, but ideally I want it at 10x or more. Objective lens diameter should be in the 32 to 44mm range. Smaller diameter objective scopes are easier to make short. Weight has to be moderate as well, ideally under 25 ounces. These scopes are excellent for DMR use on accurate semi-autos. They work equally well on compact and accurate bolt action rifles. Arguably the purest expression of the MPVO genre is March 1.5-15x42 and it currently sits on my 16" barreled 8.6BLK bolt action Fix: https://bit.ly/4bjm15X The best budget option we have for the time being is Athlon Helos BTR Gen2 2-12x42 https://bit.ly/40i1ABe The new Leupold Mark 4 2.5-10x42 is likely to be a good contender as well, although the reticle is a little suspect https://bit.ly/3StVvhy If you are a MOA shooter, Burris' new 2.5-12x42 Veracity PH, while aimed at hunters, is a very strong offering for this category as well https://bit.ly/4939QII

Tweener
Tweener scope is a term I have been using for many years. Long enough where I do not know whether I coined it or whether I lifted it somewhere else. These are smallish SFP scopes with 32 to 38mm objective diameter that were originally meant for eastern hunting, but lend themselves surprisingly well to a variety of applications. They are a perfect case of "less is more". While we tend to think of them as short range numbers, I shot my first elk with a muzzleloader wearing the now discontinued Vortex Razor HD-LH 1.5-8x32 at a bit over 300 yards. The fun part was that the guide who was with me, also had a muzzleloader with him. We ended up getting back to the truck with a field dressed elk and two loaded muzzleloaders. Rather than drive with them, he suggested a simple one shot competition. We located a rock around 500 yards from us. Whoever got closer to the rock, won. He had a fancy Gunwerks muzzleloader and a 6-24x scope with exposed elevation turrets. My muzzleloader has a fancy Arrowhead barrel on an Encore action, so not too shabby either. He got close. I hit the damn rock. Not bad for a couple of muzzleloaders in 15mph shifting wind. Tiny scope with "only" 8x on the top end did not hinder me one bit. This is not a popular scope category, but I always wonder why people do not use these more with thermal clip-ons. I do. On the low end are the ~$200 Vortex Diamondback https://bit.ly/3SGMWBb and Burris Fullfield II. There is an update coming from Burris as well. Leupold's original 2.5-8x36 was probably my inspiration for defining this category a couple of decades ago. It still lives on in a slightly refreshed form: https://bit.ly/3EV1hTx
If I ever start an optics company, I'll bring back that Razor HD-LHT 1.5-8x32 except with an illuminated dot.

Crossover
This is another category that is somewhat arbitrary, yet fairly self-explanatory. These are the riflescopes that almost equally comfortable on western hunting rifles and on competition rifles. The purest expression of the genre is likely Vortex Razor HD-LHT 4.5-22x50 https://bit.ly/41uPd5v. For this category I am looking for a FFP scope that is under 30 ounces in weight. Top end magnification of 15x or more. Bottom end magnification of 5x or less. Illuminated reticle of either tree or scale type. Overall length is not critical, since I am not hugely concerned with clip-on use, but a something of moderate length is not a bad idea. Zero stop elevation turret with rev counter paired with a covered or locking windage turret. Elevation turret lock is a good thing to have, but not strictly speaking critical. Burris XTR3i 3.3-18x50 https://bit.ly/3XVF8Ld and Delta Stryker 3.5-21x50 https://annexdefense.com/delta-stryker-hd-3-5-21x44-rifle-scope/ are other good examples of what I mean here. The newly announced Leupold Mark 4HD 4.5-18x52 should be a contender as well, but I need to spend some time with it before I make recommendations https://bit.ly/42wNDAo

Traditional Hunting
This category might be unexpectedly controversial because hunting is so different in different parts of US. It can be a 50 yards shot in the wooded areas of the Eastern seaboard or a 500 yard shot in the mountains of Wyoming. I lean toward the Crossover category above as the better choice for long shots out West. Traditional hunting scope, to me, lean toward moderate magnifications and distances that are largely within the MPBR of the cartridge. Historically, it was a 3-9x42 or 2.5-10x42 design with a simple-ish SFP reticle. Some people still preferred FFP reticles. I can go either way on this one. Some of my favourites here are SWFS 3-9x42 (FFP), Delta Titanium HD 1.5-9x45 (SFP), Vortex Razor HD-LHT 3-15x42 (SFP) https://bit.ly/49tk3xX , Leupold VX-5HD 2-10x42 https://bit.ly/49q0xCu , Trijicon Accupoint 3-9x42 (SFP) https://bit.ly/49tk3xX , Trijicon Accupoint 2.5-10x56 (SFP) https://bit.ly/42v7MXz. For these designs, I want low end magnification to be no more than 3x. Reticles have to work well on all magnifications. Duplex and #4 reticles both work well, but a simple mil-hash reticle like SWFA and Vortex Razor have are a good idea. Traditional MilDot with good illumination works well here.
Generally, illumination is not required, but nice to have.

General Purpose Practical Precision
This is typically a FFP riflescope with a 50mm or greater objective diameter. The conventional wisdom here would call for top end magnification of 20x or higher, exposed elevation and windage turrets of 10mrad or more travel per turn and a fairly sophisticated reticle. This category overlaps with crossover scopes above and long range precision below. On the low end of the magnification range, I really do not want go above 6x and keeping it at no more than 5x is better. Overall elevation adjustment range does not have to be huge. This is not a scope that has to perform ELR heroics of all sorts, although quite a few of these do end up pressed into odd applications (hence "general purpose" ) Depending on the price range, I like to have reticle illumination, but for reasonably inexpensive models I can live without it. I do want to be able to use the reticle (as a simple aiming pattern, not the tree) on low power, so an ultra thin design is not ideal here. If money is no object, S&B Ultra Short 5-20x50 with DTII+ turrets and MSR2 reticle is very hard to overlook https://bit.ly/3usGynQ On the more budget side of things, Tract Toric UHD 4-25x50 is an interesting option, especially if you do need the adjustment range https://tractoptics.com/toric-4-25x50-34mm-mrad-elr-rifle-scope. Personally, I can easily live with a 3-15x50, but it seems like 20x or more has become the market standard. To that end, if equipped with a reasonable reticle, many larger scopes fit the bill here, like the Element Theos 6-36x56 https://bit.ly/3t2MMtn and Leupold Mark 5HD 5-25x56 https://bit.ly/49s2sX3

Long Range Practical Precision
This is a little bit like the category just above, except these are almost never used for shooting on low power and I do not think I have ever seen one used below 8x. Most of these scopes are large and heavy. Most of the shooting with these happens on 15x and above. Sometimes you will dial down when scanning and looking for something. Thinner reticles are common in this category. Exposed elevation and windage turrets are nearly default. Adjustment range usually sits at 30mrad or higher. These scopes tend to be heavy. The better ones out there have excellent optical performance across the entire elevation adjustment range. Traditionally, these have been the excellent 5-25x56 designs starting with the S&B 5-25x56 https://bit.ly/3uuJDnq and branching out into a good number of options. Tangent Theta 5-25x56 https://bit.ly/3uvxqim is probably the best this configuration has to offer. More recently, 7-35x56 and 6-36x56 has become more commonplace with S&B https://bit.ly/45edsox and Vortex Razor Gen3 6-36x56 https://bit.ly/3Sa6M87 arguably leading the charge.

Short Range Target
This is not my field, to be honest with you. Still, this usually involves trying to shoot very tiny groups or hit very tiny targets all at comparatively close ranges, usually inside of 200 or 300 yards. For some distances, it is shorter than that. However, the angular size of the targets you have to hit or groups you have to make is astoundingly small. Because you are looking through comparatively little air, this is where you can work with a LOT of magnification. Some disciplines have weight limitations, so lighter weight of fixed power scopes is often an advantage. For target shooting, if you have the funds, something from March labeled "High Master" is your best bet, the 48x52 fixed power, for example: https://bit.ly/3OGI0K6 Of the more reasonably priced options, Sightron has a couple of fixed power scopes (36x45 and 45x45) and several excellent variable scopes in SII and SV lines that do very well in this discipline. Thin reticles are a benefit here, so SFP designs pretty much own paper shooting. These scopes have exposed elevation and windage turrets with very fine adjustment granularity being an advantage. 1/8MOA is most common since most of these scope are in MOA. If you are a mrad shooter, 1/10mrad clicks are worthwhile.
Airgun Field Target competitions are sorta "short range target", but deserve their own section.

Long Range Target
This is kinda like the section above except you are looking through a LOT of air since the targets are far away. Given that air quality can be all over the place, you want a variable design, usually something that goes above 40x. Again, this is where March might be king of the hill with the new 8-80x56 High Master https://bit.ly/4bxMuwA, but there are reasonable options out there from Vortex, Delta, Sightron, Nightforce, etc. F-Class guys seem to live on 40x, but depending on what mirage is doing, you want to have the ability to adjust magnification.

Field Target scopes
This category is an odd mix of short range target and practical precision. You shoot at very tiny targets that are not that far away. The problem is that you shoot with tiny airgun pellets that have a lot of drop. Those tiny targets are sitting at unknown distances. Field Target competition is, to be honest, a blast and is probably the fastest growing precision shooting discipline we have. F/T scopes are calibrated at particular distances using the side focus turret. During competition, you use the side focus to measure the distance to the target and dial for trajectory. Shallow depth of field is a huge benefit for this, so high magnification helps. It is also very important for the optomechanical system to be athermal so that your side focus calibration does not change with respect to ambient temperature.
Think High Power Sightrons and Marches.

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Del Norte Black Rifle Match Drone Footage:" Stage 1

Here is what Stage 1 looked like. This was the only stage where I timed out, largely because I fumbled on a mag reload and struggled with a trigger a bit on longer distance offhand shooting. That was a shame because otherwise this was a stage where I could do decently.

The gentleman in the video is Parker Tomasi. He is the owner of a local shooting facility and event center called Legacy Ranch. I think he had the high score on this stage.
https://lrshooting.com/
Parker is a retired Marine Corp officer (Major, I think), a very good shooter and a genuinely pleasant human being. He was in my squad at this match last year.

Drone footage is courtesy of Montana Blaze
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Del Norte Black Rifle Match Drone footage

There was a gentleman with FPV drone getting some footage of every stage.
To my surprise, he just sent the videos out to everyone who shot the match.
Here is me lumbering my way through Stage 2. I'll look through other videos as time allows and upload a few more from other stages with more competent shooters.

Funny thing is that while I knew the drone guy was around, I have no recollection of him flying the drone while I was shooting. Even this minimal amount of stress induces some measure of tunnel vision.

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2026 Del Norte Black Rifle Match Video

Here is the video of the stages we shot. There are two clips for Stage 8. These were a bit tricky to record without a drone, the way the 180 deg zones worked out.

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Primary Arms PLxC Blem scopes

Thanks to @afret and his sharp eyes, here are a couple of deals on PLxC Blem scopes. These are cosmetic blemishes. The scopes are perfectly normal in terms of optomechanical performance and are full warranted.
These are very heavily discounted and at these prices, they represent easily the best bang for the buck on the market today.

1-8x24 RDB https://alnk.to/1Y1Kw3K
1.5-12x36 https://alnk.to/deCfihU
2.5-20x48 https://alnk.to/gVQ9TnZ
4.5-36x56 https://alnk.to/6IKd073

At this stage, I have a SIGNIFICANT amount of mileage with all four of these scopes.

I think they are extremely competitive at their regular price.

Blemished scopes that are ~30% off offer the best deal currently available.

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Great deal on PLx blems at PA right now. Picked up another 1.5-12x and actually remembered to use your affiliate link.

@DarkLordOfOptics I'm building a 16in 5.56 SPR. I need your help choosing an FFP scope for 5.56 at longer ranges (400m and beyond). I'm leaning towards the PLxC 1.5-12x36mm FFP RDB (MIL reticle) but I'm also considering these other options:

PLxC 1-8x24 FFP RDB (MIL reticle)
PLxC 2.5-20x48
Delta Stryker HD 1-10x28
Nightforce NX6 2-12x42mm
Razor HD Gen III 1-10x24 FFP MRAD

Which option under ~$2200 do you recommend for my use case? My main priority is quality and durability.

I would really appreciate your help. Thanks!

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Introducing new people to hunting

In a couple of weeks, I am going to head out to Texas to take three new hunters on a hog hunt.
Two of them (flying in from California) have never hunted before.  One (coming from Alabama) has not gone hunting for three decades or so.
I remember when I lived in the middle of LA, going hunting was a daunting endeavor.  I did not know anyone around me who had experience with that and I simply wasn't sure how to go about it.
Thankfully, I had friends out of state who were happy to help, but I really started getting into hunting after I moved to New Mexico.
Now that I've been at it for a few years, I make it a point to help those of my friends who are interested in this hobby and who happen to live behind enemy lines.
The place where  we are going was recommended by a friend of mine.  I have never been there before, but it is supposed to be fairly civilized.  These guys are not looking for a backcountry hunt.  They get to shoot unlimited hogs and to enjoy some nice bourbon and cigars back at the lodge.
Once they are situated, I am going to try to get an axis deer doe.  
It is not that I am not interested in shooting hogs, but from a culinary standpoint I am more interested in axis deer.  Besides, I took my son and my nephew hog hunting back in June and I still have plenty of meat from that.
At the moment, I am in the process of getting four rifles set up for everyone to use.  Naturally, I have a few thermals coming for us to play with and create some content on.

Here is the line-up.

I am going to use my 8.6BLK Fix pistol, with an 8" barrel.  Under normal circumstances, this gun mostly shoots subsonics, but the owner of the ranch suggested I need something peppier, so I set it up for Barnes new 200gr VOR-TX ammo:

The ammo is new to the market.  Out of that 8" barrel, it moves at 1820fps with 9fps SD.  This 200gr bullet expands at velocities as low as 1400fps, so this is a 200-250yards gun with suerpesonic ammo.

SInce I have to clealry identify that I am looking at an axis doe, not some other deer on the property, I needed a poor light capable riflescope on there, so I set up Element Theos on the FIx, but it is a backup scope this time around.  I expect to get a couple of DNT optics to get here in time and the plan is to mount their TNC635R Thermnight for this.  Thermnight has both a thermal optic and digital night vision device.  I am very curious how well it will work during the pre-dawn/post-sunset hours when axis deer are active.

Next on the list is the Boombox I have, also in 8.6BLK with Q's Short Chop suppressor.  That rifle is currently set up for Phantom Defense's ammo that launches 210gr Barnes bullet at 2270fps.

The main optic on the Boombox is Primary Arms PLxC 1.5-12x36.  For the hunt I plan to N-Vision's new thermal clip-on.  I'll post a picture when it gets here.

Next on the list is my trusty 458SOCOM AR-15 with YHM R45 suppressor that wears SAI 1-6x24 scope and shoots 300gr bullets at around 1850fps.  For this one, I have Guide's new utlralight Orion 635CS thermal clip-on on the way.  Again, once it is all here a picture is forthcoming.

Last on the list is the Stery Scout in 6.5CM currently sporting Leupold's Mark 5HD 2-10x30.  My original plan was to pop Leica's Calonx 2 in front of it, but I also have another DNT thermal coming, so I am leaning toward putting the DNT on the Steyr and keeping the Leica as a spare in case something breaks down.  One of the many ncie things about the Leica is that it is pre-collimated, i.e. there is no sighting in requried https://alnk.to/3ygwDEh  That way, if someone's thermal goes down, I can just swap it for the Leica in the field.

Now, I just need to decide who gets which gun.

 

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Taking another stab at a general purpose rifle
What does "GP Rifle" mean to you?

Every once in a while I go back to an idea of a general purpose rifle and massage it a little.

I suspect that the reason I keep on coming back to it is that many years ago I read a good number of Colonel Cooper's work and always thought that his idea of a scout rifle was very interesting.

In a nutshell, Cooper's scout was a bolt action rifle of less than 40" long, chambered for 308Win or similar, set up with a scout scope (he seemed to like to use stripper clips and needed access to he action) and a Ching sling.  It was supposed to be capable of hunting animals the size of a cow elk out to 400 yards while weighing in at less than 8lbs.  

Fixed power scout scopes are very light, so that weight was achievable.

While I like scout scopes, conventional LPVOs and MPVOs knock the socks off any scout scope in terms of real world performance, so I am willing to accept a little extra weight.

On top of that, I am a firm believer that all rifles should be suppressed, which adds length.

Then, there is the case or various modern attachments that did not really exist when the good Colonel was refining his concept.  While I do not need a thermal clip-on to be on the gun all the time, I do want the capability of adding one in.

Last consideration is whether to go with a bolt-gun or semi-auto.  

I have been pursuing this "General Purpose Rifle" concept for quite a long time.  That was the reason I bought my original Fix boltgun.  I thought of it as a conceptual reincarnation of the scout idea.
My original Fix started life configured with a 16" 308Win Barrel.  It was light, handy and awesome.  This was the exact configuration except with the full length rail: https://eurooptic.sjv.io/k4EvKx

Then, I succumbed to temptation and swapped that 16" Bartlein barrel for a 24" carbon fiber Proof barrel in the same caliber.  It is still my favourite gun of all I have.  I have taken precision classes with it, hunted with it and shot matches with it, but it is no longer a scout rifle.  The barrel and suppressor together add up to more than 30".  It is not very heavy, but it is also not very short.

For a little while, I had another Fix configured with a 16" barrel and chambered for 8.6BLK.  It is an incredibly versatile cartridge and that was a perfect scout rifle.   I shot a cow elk with it at 338 yards to prove the concept.  

Since it worked really well and I can't leave anything well enough alone, I took it apart when I started shooting matches and rebuilt it as 22" 6.5CM precision rifle that you have seen in many pictures since.
The other idea I had was to see what can be done with a truly short barrel, so I built myself another 8.6BLK Fix (I really like these guns, in case you havn't caught onto that yet) around an 8" barrel I already had.  It is surprisingly capable with supersonic ammo and exceedingly handy.  I have not yet decided whether I am willing to shoot a cow elk at 400 yards with it, but I am taking it on an axis doe hunt in a couple of weeks.

When Cooper first defined his scout concept he was not opposed to semi-auto platforms per se, but had some misgivings on whether they can be made sufficiently accurate and reliable.

Technology keeps getting better though and when Q announced their Boombox semi-auto in 8.6BLK, there was a faint echo of "is this my modern scout rifle?" reverberating in far reaches of my brain.

Compared to the Fix with the same length barrel, the Boom Box is about a pound heavier and does everything very well.  Mine has been perfectly reliable.  Primary Arms PLxC 1.5-12x36 is a perfect match for its general purpose nature.  https://alnk.to/b7D6rbe

Together with the suppressor and a flashlight, the Boombox clocks in at just under 11lbs.  If I drop a thermal clip-on onto it (usually Leica https://eurooptic.sjv.io/PO317X ), it is a bit over 12lbs

It is, however, even more expensive than the Fix.  While Boombox price is comparable or lower than that of other semi-auto rifles of comparable quality (Seekins SP10M, etc https://eurooptic.sjv.io/n4x64A , it is still a lot of money.  As much as I hate to admit it, it is kinda difficult to say with a straight face that a gun carrying a price tag that makes the vast majority of gun enthusiasts' hearts skip a beat is any sort of "General Purpose".  As configured above, it is over $7k (before you add the thermal).

That made me step back for a moment and remember that there are three commercially available scout rifles out there that I happen have pretty good familiarity with.  The least expensive ones that I messed with are from Ruger and Savage.  They have had a few iterations over the years, but you can generally pick one up for somewhere in the $700 to $800 range chambered for a few different cartridges, 308Win and 6.5CM among them.  They work well enough, but they are not what I would call polished.  Still, if price is part of the equation, these are nicely robust and very "general purpose" guns.  I have seen quite a few people use them as truck guns.

I have set up a couple of these for my friends over the years and have no complaints of how well they perform for the money.  I think Mossberg also makes their own variant that is even less expensive, but I have no experience with it.

Neither Savage nor Ruger, however, is the original scout.  Cooper made several prototypes and then teamed up with Steyr to make a commercially available scout rifle.  The first Steyr scout rifle went on sale in the 1990s right around the time I was becoming interested in firearms.  It was far out of reach of a broke college student and then my priorities shifted.  Some longing still remained.

Price-wise, Steyr scout usually clocks in somwhere in the $1600 to $2000 price range.  While not inexpensive, it is closer to the Savage/Ruger/Mossberg than it is to the Fix and the Boombox.  I think I'll go ahead and decree that it then qualifies as a general purpose rifle.

Rather importantly for me, it has a longer top rail than any of the less expensive options offering significant flexibility.  It also has a simple bipod built into the stock and exta magazine storage in the buttstock.  

All of that is nice, but more importantly, Steyr's SBS action and hammer-forged barrel are absolutely world class.

I am planning to take it with me on a hunt in a couple of weeks (I am going for axis deer and bringing three new hunters to hunt hogs on the same property).  I have four rifles to set up and one of them is the Steyr Scout in 6.5CM.  Since I also have a Leupold Mark 5HD 2-10x30 to test, I needed to go sight it in with hunting ammo.  I did not have time to shoot longer shot strings (that thin barrel needs time to cool), but here are three shots at 100yards using Hotline Munitions' 124gr VLR4 ammo https://discreetballistics.com/shop/hotline-munitions-6-5-creedmoor-124gr-hunting/

Three shot groups do not tell the full story of how accurate the rifle really is, but this is an indication that the mechancial accuracy of this gun is rather promising.  At some point, I will explore it more carefully, but for the time being this is plenty for shooting hogs inside of 200 yards.

As configured, this rifle clocks in at 10.2lbs with the optics, suppressor, two empty magazines and an RS1 sling (it is kinda like Ching sling, but better):

While I am testing the Mark 5HD 2-10x30 with CMR-MIL reticle https://alnk.to/4XAA7at this gun will also be a test bed for N-Vision's new clip-on that should be here in a few days.  

I rather like the baby Mark 5 and it is not a bad match to the rifle.  However, I have other long term plans for it since it has enough elevation adjustment for my long range subsonic hobby.  I waited to test the 2-10x30 Mark 5HD for quite a while since I wanted it with the CMR-MIL reticle

It remains to be seen which scope will end up on the Steyr scout, but Element Theos 2-10x42 is probably the front runner at the moment.  That's the right magnification range for the scout and 42mm objective is a good balance of size and low light performance.  

My Steyr Scout is a couple of pounds above Cooper's weight cutoff in exchange for a built-in bipod, suppressor and a significantly more capable optic.  The barrel is 19" and the suppressor adds another five to it.  It is accurate, robust, and sufficiently light for almost everything I do.  While not a budget build, it is also not unreasonable price-wise.  I think that makes it a true general purpose rifle.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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2026 Del Norte Black Rifle Match

Yesterday was the annual charity match at Del Norte range an hour or so from Albuquerque.  We had fairly ridiculous amounts of water falling from the sky in the last few days and all the unpaves roads leading to the range did not take it well.  Still, it stopped rainign for a day so that we could go shoot.

This is a one gun match where you shoot some combination of paper and steel.  Steel plates are a bit further out.  Paper is all close in.  You are scored based on hits and how fast you run the stage.  I am old, fat and slow, so I am terrible at this, but the match is a lot of fun.

It does not help that I have been so focused on precision last couple of years that I have somewhat neglected the fast stuff.  I should really fix that.  There are some two gun matches at Legacy Ranch (an hour in the other direction from Albuquerque) on a fairly regular basis that I should try for practice.

This year, for shits and giggles, I decided to shoot it with an AK-74 which slowed me down even further, but it was definitely fun.

Last year's match was themed after John Wick movies.  This year, it was a Chuck Norris theme.

While some of the shooters are out to win, since it is a charity match, the atmosphere is very laid back and people do funny things here and there.

For example, one gentleman in my squad dressed as a tactical wizard (I think):

Tactical wizard next to a kilt wearing RO was, I thought, a nice scene.

He had a suppressor enclosed by a Monster can on his AR.  The whole thing was a hoot.

Another gentleman insisted on running stages with the bayonet attached to his AR.  One one of the paper targets that was really close, the ROs let hime bayonet it instead of shooting it.  It was a ncie A-Zone stab.

The carbine I brought for this was an AK74 from Palmetto State Armory https://alnk.to/bEnbIaI with AKML handguard from TDI Arms, DFCO grip, Zhukov stock and Primary Arms PLxC SFP 1-8x24 scope in an RS Regulate mount.  If you are looking for a nucelar bright SFP LPVO with a fiber dot, I will go on the record that at current discounted price, this is the best deal I have seen in a while https://alnk.to/88424vv

As shown, this rifle clocked in at 9.3lbs.  It is definitely not a lightweight, but it was not too heavy either.  I put it through several experiments with different stocks and pic rail dust covers that did not work out well enough for my purposes.  MOst annoyingly, the 1913 stock adaptor kept on getting loose, so I finally slapped Magpul's Zhukov stock on it and went back to the normal AK side mount for the scope.  It is not as slick as I wanted it, but it works.  Another experiment that failed was with getting a suppressor on it.  On this AK-74, the muzzle device is threade donto the side block.  It is not straight enough for a suppressor.  I was getting baffle strikes on a 6mm can.  I coule try a growwly oversized can, I suppose, but I decided to leave it along and put the original muzzle device on.  I still maintain that all guns should be suppressed, but they are not all designed to be suppressed.

In principle, if I wanted to shoot more matches, a longer handguard would go a long way toward helping me drive the gun, but I intentionally decided to run everything as if it has an 11" barrel and a correspondingly short handguard.  I think that muscle memory will translate optimally between different platforms I have.

I will be the first to admit that I may have overscoped this AK a little bit, but on the other hand, given that the scope is pretty light, I do not really see a problem.  At this match, the furthest plates were about 300 yards out, so I appreciated being able to zoom in a little, while on 1x with that bright fiber dot, this scope is fast.

For an AK, this gun has a decent ALG trigger, but having spent the last couple  of years with precision rifles and match triggers, it gave me fits.  It was also very hard to get myself out of the "precision" mode.  I could definitely go faster if my head was not getting in the way.  I think I will do some work on that in the next few weeks.  In the grand scheme of things, 5.56 plining ammo is now cheaper than 5.45x39, but I think I should practice this with different platforms.  I still have some AK specific muscle memory, but I was definitely rusty.

With Wolf 60gr Military Classic ammo launching at 2750fps (with 18fps StDev) the rifle shot groups in the 2MOA to 2.5MOA range standing tripod (I almost never shoot off of a bench any more, so I popped a bag on a tripod and shot off of that) which is plenty good enough for this type of a match.  Intrinsic accuracy of the gun did not get in my way.  However, managing the long spongy trigger pull for longer shots and for offhand shots was a little tricky.  Still, it is my own fault that I neglected practicing with my AKs.  

The match was originally supposed to be eight stages.   I was in quad six, so we shot 6, 7, 8, 1, 2 and 3 before we had to stop.  I have a couple of videos that I am going to look through, stitch together and post.

Just as we were about to shoot stage 4, everyone was told to stop and the range went cold.  Apparently, one of the ROs on a different stage was clearing his handgun (ROs were allowed to have handguns) and shot himself in the hand.  I did not witness it, but that is what I was told.  He was taken to the hospital and seems to be doing OK.  However, our day was done.

It is an unfortunate accident and it sounds like it was self-inflicted.  One of the board memebers from the range went and visited him in the hopsital.  He will need surgery.  Someone also mentioned that this is the second time this gentleman shot himself.  I am not sure what to make of that.  I do not know him personally.  We'll see if there are any further repercussions for the range or for the event moving forward.

There was also a night event (for stages shot with night vision), but I could not participate in that one due to various family obligations.  We are in the middle of a Jewish hoiday of sukkot and my wife already made plans for it.

Watching people bring different guns to this match was very interesting.  Some used ARs on longer stages and a PCC on close range stuff.  It never occurred to me to have multiple guns with me.  One gentleman had what looked like a suppressed PS90 SBR.  A couple of peopl had AKs.  I saw a CZ Scorpion and a B&T SBC9.  I am sure there were a few other unusual choices there, but most people were shooting AR-15s of all sorts.

I have some time to figure out what I will bring next year, but a P320 in a Flux Raider chassis could be an interesting option.

 

 

 

 

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