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Riflescope Type Classification

In the aftermath of SHOT, looking at different forum discussions, we seem to be getting into a little bit of a classification issue when it comes to different riflescope types. All sorts of terms get thrown around: LPVO, MPVO, Crossover, Mid-range, Long-range, Precision, Target, etc.
This confusion is not surprising. There is a lot of overlap between all these different configurations and nothing is clear cut. On top of that, it is not like anyone ever bothered to fully define them. I am as guilty of that as the next person, since I have talked about a few particular ones, but never really thought through the entire landscape. Let's give it a shot and let me know if this makes sense. I am going to first list the terms that come to mind and then keep revising this post with definitions as I think through them. Please offer your thoughts in the comments on what you think the definitions should be and whether you think additional terms should be added to the list:

1x Prismatics and RDS

Small Prism Fixed Power

Large Prims Fixed Power

LPVO
LPVO stands for Low Power Variable Optic and it is the easiest of the bunch to define. A riflescope with the magnification range tat goes down to 1x is it. If it works well on 1x, it is a good LPVO. If it does not, it isn't. I often use these as DMR scopes and they do crossover into a few other niches, but the default position of the magnification ring is 1x. I have a few of these here. If you have money to spend, Vortex Razor Gen3 1-10x24 should be on your list https://bit.ly/3w1Ah2T. If you can spend some cash and want the smallest package, that's Primary Arms PLxC 1-8x24 https://bit.ly/3Bn3951. If you want something that leans a little more in the DMR directions, Delta Stryker 1-10x28 https://annexdefense.com/delta-stryker-hd-1-10x28-rifle-scope-do-2517-1-10/. If you are new to LPVOs, Primary Arms SLX 1-6x24 with Nova reticle https://bit.ly/40LeLdt or one of the new SwampFox LPVOs with fiber reticles. I have a few LPVO recommendations (click on the recommendations banner on the right). Depending on how the scope is set up, these can have either SFP or FFP reticles.

Dangerous Game
This is another simple one. It used to mean a light, compact and durable scope of low power that can hold up to the recoil of large caliber hunting rifles. It still means that, but we can add more specificity to it. In the modern world, it is a lightweight LPVO with a high visibility SFP reticle. The reticle is typically a fairly simple pattern. The emphasis, again, is on excellent low power performance. The overall trend with LPVOs is to higher erector ratios. For a DGR scope, I am perfectly fine with a high quality 1-4x. The one additional quirk here is that while for typical LPVO applications, we do not care a ton about long eye relief, for a dangerous game scope, long eye relief is a good thing. Tract 1-8x24 is a good example here. Delta Titanium HD 1-6x24 and Stryker HD 1-6x24 fit the bill very well. Trijicon Accupoint 1-4x24 https://bit.ly/3utRSQu or 1-6x24 https://bit.ly/3OvH0Zo with a post reticle would likely be at the top of my list. Interestingly, the newly announced SFP version of the Primary Arms PLxC 1-8x24 might become the go to choice for this. It has very high build quality and spectacular 1x performance. I should put it onto a lightweight magnum and see if it survives.

MPVO
This is likely to be a more controversial definition than most. To me, this is a FFP scope with low end magnification of 2.5x or less, locking or covered windage turret and zero stop elevation turret. Sidefocus knob is preferred. Reticle should be an illuminated tree type of some sort. This scope is equally likely to be dialed with as held with. It has to work well with a clip-on, so I want the low end FOV to be 8 degrees or wider and I want the overall length to be moderate. 12.5" or less would be great. The reticle has to work well on all magnifications. The hold marks on the tree reticle have to be usable from about 7x on upward. Top end magnification is not critical, but ideally I want it at 10x or more. Objective lens diameter should be in the 32 to 44mm range. Smaller diameter objective scopes are easier to make short. Weight has to be moderate as well, ideally under 25 ounces. These scopes are excellent for DMR use on accurate semi-autos. They work equally well on compact and accurate bolt action rifles. Arguably the purest expression of the MPVO genre is March 1.5-15x42 and it currently sits on my 16" barreled 8.6BLK bolt action Fix: https://bit.ly/4bjm15X The best budget option we have for the time being is Athlon Helos BTR Gen2 2-12x42 https://bit.ly/40i1ABe The new Leupold Mark 4 2.5-10x42 is likely to be a good contender as well, although the reticle is a little suspect https://bit.ly/3StVvhy If you are a MOA shooter, Burris' new 2.5-12x42 Veracity PH, while aimed at hunters, is a very strong offering for this category as well https://bit.ly/4939QII

Tweener
Tweener scope is a term I have been using for many years. Long enough where I do not know whether I coined it or whether I lifted it somewhere else. These are smallish SFP scopes with 32 to 38mm objective diameter that were originally meant for eastern hunting, but lend themselves surprisingly well to a variety of applications. They are a perfect case of "less is more". While we tend to think of them as short range numbers, I shot my first elk with a muzzleloader wearing the now discontinued Vortex Razor HD-LH 1.5-8x32 at a bit over 300 yards. The fun part was that the guide who was with me, also had a muzzleloader with him. We ended up getting back to the truck with a field dressed elk and two loaded muzzleloaders. Rather than drive with them, he suggested a simple one shot competition. We located a rock around 500 yards from us. Whoever got closer to the rock, won. He had a fancy Gunwerks muzzleloader and a 6-24x scope with exposed elevation turrets. My muzzleloader has a fancy Arrowhead barrel on an Encore action, so not too shabby either. He got close. I hit the damn rock. Not bad for a couple of muzzleloaders in 15mph shifting wind. Tiny scope with "only" 8x on the top end did not hinder me one bit. This is not a popular scope category, but I always wonder why people do not use these more with thermal clip-ons. I do. On the low end are the ~$200 Vortex Diamondback https://bit.ly/3SGMWBb and Burris Fullfield II. There is an update coming from Burris as well. Leupold's original 2.5-8x36 was probably my inspiration for defining this category a couple of decades ago. It still lives on in a slightly refreshed form: https://bit.ly/3EV1hTx
If I ever start an optics company, I'll bring back that Razor HD-LHT 1.5-8x32 except with an illuminated dot.

Crossover
This is another category that is somewhat arbitrary, yet fairly self-explanatory. These are the riflescopes that almost equally comfortable on western hunting rifles and on competition rifles. The purest expression of the genre is likely Vortex Razor HD-LHT 4.5-22x50 https://bit.ly/41uPd5v. For this category I am looking for a FFP scope that is under 30 ounces in weight. Top end magnification of 15x or more. Bottom end magnification of 5x or less. Illuminated reticle of either tree or scale type. Overall length is not critical, since I am not hugely concerned with clip-on use, but a something of moderate length is not a bad idea. Zero stop elevation turret with rev counter paired with a covered or locking windage turret. Elevation turret lock is a good thing to have, but not strictly speaking critical. Burris XTR3i 3.3-18x50 https://bit.ly/3XVF8Ld and Delta Stryker 3.5-21x50 https://annexdefense.com/delta-stryker-hd-3-5-21x44-rifle-scope/ are other good examples of what I mean here. The newly announced Leupold Mark 4HD 4.5-18x52 should be a contender as well, but I need to spend some time with it before I make recommendations https://bit.ly/42wNDAo

Traditional Hunting
This category might be unexpectedly controversial because hunting is so different in different parts of US. It can be a 50 yards shot in the wooded areas of the Eastern seaboard or a 500 yard shot in the mountains of Wyoming. I lean toward the Crossover category above as the better choice for long shots out West. Traditional hunting scope, to me, lean toward moderate magnifications and distances that are largely within the MPBR of the cartridge. Historically, it was a 3-9x42 or 2.5-10x42 design with a simple-ish SFP reticle. Some people still preferred FFP reticles. I can go either way on this one. Some of my favourites here are SWFS 3-9x42 (FFP), Delta Titanium HD 1.5-9x45 (SFP), Vortex Razor HD-LHT 3-15x42 (SFP) https://bit.ly/49tk3xX , Leupold VX-5HD 2-10x42 https://bit.ly/49q0xCu , Trijicon Accupoint 3-9x42 (SFP) https://bit.ly/49tk3xX , Trijicon Accupoint 2.5-10x56 (SFP) https://bit.ly/42v7MXz. For these designs, I want low end magnification to be no more than 3x. Reticles have to work well on all magnifications. Duplex and #4 reticles both work well, but a simple mil-hash reticle like SWFA and Vortex Razor have are a good idea. Traditional MilDot with good illumination works well here.
Generally, illumination is not required, but nice to have.

General Purpose Practical Precision
This is typically a FFP riflescope with a 50mm or greater objective diameter. The conventional wisdom here would call for top end magnification of 20x or higher, exposed elevation and windage turrets of 10mrad or more travel per turn and a fairly sophisticated reticle. This category overlaps with crossover scopes above and long range precision below. On the low end of the magnification range, I really do not want go above 6x and keeping it at no more than 5x is better. Overall elevation adjustment range does not have to be huge. This is not a scope that has to perform ELR heroics of all sorts, although quite a few of these do end up pressed into odd applications (hence "general purpose" ) Depending on the price range, I like to have reticle illumination, but for reasonably inexpensive models I can live without it. I do want to be able to use the reticle (as a simple aiming pattern, not the tree) on low power, so an ultra thin design is not ideal here. If money is no object, S&B Ultra Short 5-20x50 with DTII+ turrets and MSR2 reticle is very hard to overlook https://bit.ly/3usGynQ On the more budget side of things, Tract Toric UHD 4-25x50 is an interesting option, especially if you do need the adjustment range https://tractoptics.com/toric-4-25x50-34mm-mrad-elr-rifle-scope. Personally, I can easily live with a 3-15x50, but it seems like 20x or more has become the market standard. To that end, if equipped with a reasonable reticle, many larger scopes fit the bill here, like the Element Theos 6-36x56 https://bit.ly/3t2MMtn and Leupold Mark 5HD 5-25x56 https://bit.ly/49s2sX3

Long Range Practical Precision
This is a little bit like the category just above, except these are almost never used for shooting on low power and I do not think I have ever seen one used below 8x. Most of these scopes are large and heavy. Most of the shooting with these happens on 15x and above. Sometimes you will dial down when scanning and looking for something. Thinner reticles are common in this category. Exposed elevation and windage turrets are nearly default. Adjustment range usually sits at 30mrad or higher. These scopes tend to be heavy. The better ones out there have excellent optical performance across the entire elevation adjustment range. Traditionally, these have been the excellent 5-25x56 designs starting with the S&B 5-25x56 https://bit.ly/3uuJDnq and branching out into a good number of options. Tangent Theta 5-25x56 https://bit.ly/3uvxqim is probably the best this configuration has to offer. More recently, 7-35x56 and 6-36x56 has become more commonplace with S&B https://bit.ly/45edsox and Vortex Razor Gen3 6-36x56 https://bit.ly/3Sa6M87 arguably leading the charge.

Short Range Target
This is not my field, to be honest with you. Still, this usually involves trying to shoot very tiny groups or hit very tiny targets all at comparatively close ranges, usually inside of 200 or 300 yards. For some distances, it is shorter than that. However, the angular size of the targets you have to hit or groups you have to make is astoundingly small. Because you are looking through comparatively little air, this is where you can work with a LOT of magnification. Some disciplines have weight limitations, so lighter weight of fixed power scopes is often an advantage. For target shooting, if you have the funds, something from March labeled "High Master" is your best bet, the 48x52 fixed power, for example: https://bit.ly/3OGI0K6 Of the more reasonably priced options, Sightron has a couple of fixed power scopes (36x45 and 45x45) and several excellent variable scopes in SII and SV lines that do very well in this discipline. Thin reticles are a benefit here, so SFP designs pretty much own paper shooting. These scopes have exposed elevation and windage turrets with very fine adjustment granularity being an advantage. 1/8MOA is most common since most of these scope are in MOA. If you are a mrad shooter, 1/10mrad clicks are worthwhile.
Airgun Field Target competitions are sorta "short range target", but deserve their own section.

Long Range Target
This is kinda like the section above except you are looking through a LOT of air since the targets are far away. Given that air quality can be all over the place, you want a variable design, usually something that goes above 40x. Again, this is where March might be king of the hill with the new 8-80x56 High Master https://bit.ly/4bxMuwA, but there are reasonable options out there from Vortex, Delta, Sightron, Nightforce, etc. F-Class guys seem to live on 40x, but depending on what mirage is doing, you want to have the ability to adjust magnification.

Field Target scopes
This category is an odd mix of short range target and practical precision. You shoot at very tiny targets that are not that far away. The problem is that you shoot with tiny airgun pellets that have a lot of drop. Those tiny targets are sitting at unknown distances. Field Target competition is, to be honest, a blast and is probably the fastest growing precision shooting discipline we have. F/T scopes are calibrated at particular distances using the side focus turret. During competition, you use the side focus to measure the distance to the target and dial for trajectory. Shallow depth of field is a huge benefit for this, so high magnification helps. It is also very important for the optomechanical system to be athermal so that your side focus calibration does not change with respect to ambient temperature.
Think High Power Sightrons and Marches.

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Vortex Defender XL wrap-up

Here is a wrap-up of sorts for the Vortex Defender XL.
Despite the larger window, the sight was surprisingly unobtrusive when properly holstered and very fast on target.
I'll do a livestream on Tuesday night (travelling again, so I will be in a hotel room) to answer any questions that might come up.
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Happy New Year!

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Time will tell.

I hope you all had a good holiday season with your loved ones. I did.

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Apparently I brought some sort of a nasty flu with me from the family trip we had. I have a firm belief that everything you do, should be done "full throttle". Unfortunately that extends to getting sick.
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Happy Thanksgiving, Y'all!
from ChatGPT, Grok and Yours Truly

Every Thanksgiving these last few years I wake up in the morning knowing that this is the year when I will finally get in touch with my sweet, emotional and well meaning inner self and write a truly profoundly heartfelt and warm Happy Thanksgiving message.

That results in several minutes of hopeful soul searching.  Sadly, no matter how deeply I dig, all I come up with is sarcasm, cynicism and a profoundly dark sense of humor.

This year, I decided that I have been looking for humanity in the wrong place and that the advent of AI might offer some ability to fake warmness and optimism for people like me.  

I asked ChatGPT and Grok the same exact question: "write a profound happy thanksgiving message for a bunch of patriotic gun nuts"

Here is what I got back:

 

From ChatGPT:

Happy Thanksgiving to Our Fellow Patriots!

As we gather this Thanksgiving, let us give thanks for the blessings of freedom, family, and the great land we call home. We honor the principles that built this nation—strength, resilience, and an unwavering commitment to liberty.

Today, as we carve the turkey and reflect on our blessings, let’s not forget those who have fought to protect our freedoms and those who stand ready to defend them still. It's a time to cherish the bonds of family, the camaraderie of friends, and the power of unity that keeps our American spirit alive.

May your Thanksgiving be filled with the warmth of loved ones, the satisfaction of great food, and maybe a few moments at the range to remind us of the rights and traditions we hold dear.

Here’s to faith in the future, pride in our past, and love for this great nation. From our family to yours—Happy Thanksgiving, and God bless America! 🦃🇺🇸🔫

 

From Grok:

Happy Thanksgiving, fellow patriots and guardians of freedom! On this day of gratitude, let's give thanks for the liberties we cherish, secured by the vigilance and resolve symbolized by each of your steadfast arms. May your gatherings be filled with the warmth of camaraderie, the echoes of liberty, and the assurance that the spirit of America is alive in every one of you. Here's to the Second Amendment, to our shared heritage, and to the unyielding spirit of independence. Enjoy your feast, your fellowship, and keep the flame of freedom burning bright. Happy Thanksgiving!

 

Please put in the commens below which AI message you prefer before reading further.

 

ChatGPT's message conviniently ignores the "partiotic gun nut" part aside from the a few moments at the range reference.  Generally, it reads like something put together by script writers for "white dudes for Harris" commercial upon realizing that they have to find employment in a post 2024 election world.  It is not the power of unity that keeps our American spirit alive.  It is the American spirit and the American idea that give us some measure of unity, not the other way around.

 

Grok's message is more on point.  It actually mentions the 2nd Amendment and "assurance that the spirit of America is alive in every one of you" is both conceptually more accurate and somewhat flattering.  

 

I mostly use AI for technical stuff where it can do the calculations for me or write a few lines of code faster than I can.  However, it is full of bovine manure abotu 20% of the time, so I would not use it for anything technical where I can not easily check what it has done and find mistakes.

 

All that aside, Happy Thanksgiving, Gentlemen!

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Vortex Defender XL
Taking a first, rather extensive, look.

When I visited Vortex back in September, I mentioned that I took a quick look at their new line of Defender red dot sights.


While all three are pretty nice, I thought the largest variant, the XL, stood out.  Despite being relatively compact and having a substantially large window, it seemed to maintain collimation quality very well pretty close to the edges.  That was noteworthy.

Now, I have done a good amount of shooting with it and have some initial thoughts.

The main reason I went with the XL version is two fold.  One is that it looked to have a very large sweetspot.  Another is that while the overall trend with pistol mounted red dot sights is toward enclosed emitter designs, one of the areas where open emitter sights have a distinct advantage is window size.  If you try to make an enclosed emitter RDS with a window this big, it will no longer be practical on a pistol.  Too big.

One of the long running experiments I have going on is an attempt to figure out how much of an issue (for me) is window size.  Many people want the largest window possible.  Others do not hugely care.  In principle, with a larger window size, your follow-up shot can be faster if you enver lost sight of the dot due to the recoil impulse.

In practice, I tend to shoot with rather slim and compact handguns a lot (Glock 43x or 48 most commonly), where the gun moves enough to always lose the dot.  Since you always ahve to reacquire it, the larger window size does not seem to offer all THAT much of an advantage.

Now, I have three similarly sized Glocks (two GLock17 and one 34) with different size red dot sights: Vortex Defender XL, Shield RMS2 and Leupold Deltapoint Micro.  I am going to do some experimentation and see how quickly the gun settles back on target for me with all three.  

The Defender XL is somewhat new for me, so before I do anything with a shot timer, I am just making sure I do some practice with it.

There are several reasons, other than the large window that made me the XL version of the Defender intersting.  I wanted to see if the size will prove to be a hindrance for carry.  I also really liked how they did the battery compartment.  It also comes with the largest dot size of the three: 8MOA.

There are three models: XL, ST and CCW.  XL and ST use DPP footprint.  CCW uses RMS/RMSc footprint.  Parallax and distortion seemed very well corrected on all three.

The window size of the XL is 25.5x23.5mm (WxH). On the ST it is 23x20mm.  On the CCW it is 20x16mm 

In practical terms, the width of the window on the XL is about the same (very slightly narrower)as the width of a full size Glock slide.

The housing, naturally, extends a little bit wider with the widest point being the brightness control buttons on the left and the right.  That makes them very easy to find via the tactile feel.  It also makes me wonder if I will accidentally press them when carrying the gun, so that is something to experiment with.  I do not have any issue concealing a full size pistol, especially now that we are at the beginning of November.  I will keep an eye out for that.  Generally, for a carry gun, I prefer autoadjust brightness, but there are conflicting opinions on that.

In terms of durability, I do not expect any issues.  I know that these were seriously abused during the design phase and the people at Vortex I have talked to do not seem to have any concerns about durability of the Defender red dots.  I am looking at a sample of one, so it is not like I can do anything statistically significant there.

The XL comes with either 5MOA or 8MOA dot size.  ST and CCW are available with 3MOA and 6MOA options.  I have long been a proponent of larger dot sizes in handgun red dot sights.  It seems like competition guys are on board with that (XL is aimed at them to some degree), but why you would want smaller dots on the ST and CCW that are ostensibly aimed at the consumer carry handgun market is not clear to me.  I suspect Vortex is simply giving people what they are asking for even if they are asking for something that makes no sense.

That's the difference, I suppose, between people who criticise stuff for a living (yours truly) and people who have to sell stuff for a living (Vortex).  They have to be very cognizant of what their customers are asking.  I am very curous what the relative sales numbers for different dot sizes are.

The Defender XL I have here came with an 8MOA dot and that is just about perfect.

For an example of what that looks like, here is an 8MOA dot on a 7'x12" plate at 52 yards (note that the red splash to the right of the dot is a reflection off of the camera lens; it is not there when you are using the sight).

There are several reasons I prefer larger dots: they are easy to see at lower relative brightness, they work better with mild astigmatism, they are easy to pick up.  Also, if you are shooting a little further out, it is a little easire to compensate for drop.  For example, if you sight your dot in at 25 yards, with a typical 9mm, you have about 2 inches of drop at 50 yards, about 4 inches of drop at 75 yards and about 10 inches of drop at 100 yards.  On a hundred yard plate, I just place the lower edge of an 8MOA dot on the top edge of the plate.

XL and ST use 2032 batteries.  CCW uses a smaller 1632.  All three have shake awake, so I expect the batteries to last for a while. With all three, the battery is accessible from the top, so you do not have to remove the optic to change batteries. With ST and CCW, the battery cap is simply threaded in, which is uniformly a pain in the ass for many reflex sights out there, including these.  Vortex does give you a tool for that and it sorta works, but I much prefer how they did it with the XL.  Since they had more space to work with, the battery cap is hinged at the front and is released with a simple button.  Not only does it make battery replacement a breeze, it also makes sure you can not get your fingerprint onto the inside fo the lens while messing with the battery.

Shooting with it, my initial impressions are very positive.  Everything worked as it should.  Nothing shifted.  Zeroing in was a breeze, and it stayed zeroed.

Getting on target was VERY quick.  I am not a high speed/low drag kind of guy, so I suspect in the hands of a truly skilled shooter this thing would be blazing.

The gun I have it on is a very modofied version of G17.  The frame started life as a G31 which was the first handgun I ever bought.  I have somewhere between 150k and 200k rounds fired with that frame between the original 357Sig, the later 9mm and also the Advantage Arms 22LR conversion kit.  As you can imagine, all the springs have been replaced more than once.

At some point, I sent it in for a grip reduction, since I do not like the figner grooves very much.  The grip was made slightly smaller and shortened to accept both 17 and 19 magazines.

The trigger I have in it is the Gen3 version of Haley Stregic's Skimmer trigger.

The slide is the first gen Atom from Unity Tactical with the OEM Glock barrel, Lone Wolf striker and extractor.

It is still a Glock, albeit a nice one.

For the side-by-side I am planning to do, the RMS2 sits on a Gen5 Glock 17 that is stock other than sporting a Timney trigger.  Deltapoint Micro is on a bone stock G34. 

Generally, I fully admit that Deltapoint Micro is more appropriate on a slimline G48, but I wanted the guns to be broadly comparable.  Once this test is done, the Micro will go back onto a smaller gun and G34 will be milled for a different optic, probably for Acro footprint.

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NRL Hunter Planning
Rifle Configurations

As I have mentioned previously, I am looking to shoot in a couple of NRL Hunter competitions in 2025.  I have many reasons for that: preparation for the Team Challenge, leading by example (trying to get my kids interested) and simply having fun are all contributing factors.  The "trying to get my kids interested" is what usually gets me a hall pass from my wife, so that one is an integratl part of the reasoning.

One aspect of this whole decision process that needs to be addressed is the almost inevitable paralysis by analysis that every gear junkie is bound to develop when looking at the options.

Given my comparative inexperience and relatively limited shooting skills, I think my best bet is to not overthink it.  Just set up a rifle for the Open Heavy class and go practice.  I intend to shoot 6.5CM, hopefully with factory ammo.  Given that, a ltitle extra weight for controlling recoil and having good information for the second shot after I miss the first one, should be beneficial. 

On the other hand, since there are many ways to win the race for the last place, I could not help myself and tentatively configured rifles (on paper for now) for both Open Heavy and Open Light.  I plan to build them all up exactly as described below and figure out how contorted of a shooting position my aging joints can tolerate with each one.

The idea, for now, was to simply look at what I have and play with different configurations.

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