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If I could have only one... Rifle Package
Wrapping up with 2023
December 11, 2023

End of the year means that I start massaging my "only one" mental exercise from a vaiety of different angles and see if the answer changes.  In many ways, that's a good way to test the robustness of your conclusions: approach the problem from several different sides and see if you come up with something different every time or converge on a common solution.

This one, of course, really depends on how I set up the boundary conditions.  For example, if we imagine a situation where the government goes nuts on us and all semi-auto rifles have been outlawed (kinda like the situation our esteemed turnip-in-chief Mr Biden keeps on theorizing), my perennial favourite, a 6.5Grendel AR-15, is not an option.

This time around, I'll visualize a different situation to make it slightly less restrictive and to really think about the things I do with guns: I enjoy shooting long range, hunting, plinking, tactical-ish drills, etc.  Not really much of a shotgunner, so to me a shotgun is just a powerful close range rifle.

Every year, I wonder if I should make an effort to stick to just one gun for at least six months.  I bet, I'd be a much better shot at the end of those six months.  Unfortunately, I like messing with different gear a little too much.

If I were forced to have only one gun, it would still be a 6.5Grendel AR-15.  I can do almost anything I want with it in a pinch.  For some hunting, I would have to really be cognizant of keeping disstances moderate, of course, but it is as close as I am going to get to a "do all" rifle.  6ARC and 6.8SPC can do a lot of the same as well, but I still think that Grendel is the better balance of across the boad performance.  Last year, I theorized that a modern "small large frame" AR chambered for 8.6Blackout could supplant the Grendel and I still think it might.   However, a lot there depends on how the whole pistol brace situation works out in the end.  At the moment, it looks like it is leaning our way, but who knows.  I do not want to SBR anything, so if pistol braces remain legal, I will put together an 8.6Blackout semiauto with a 12" barrel to test that concept.  I have a couple of 8.6 suppressors on backorder, so hopefully one of them will make it here as well.  A 12" barrel with a suppressor makes for a pretty handy package.  Since 8.6 does well in both subsonic and supersonic guises, it might be a true home defense to hunting to plinking rifle.  Not sure how good of a precision rifle it would make, but maybe I'll get luck with that as well.  In terms of long range accuracy with supersonics, 8.6 is less flat than 6.5Grendel, but I am willing to give that up because it does offer more pop for hunting within 400-500 yards and because I like the subsonic capability.  If pistol braces go the way of the dodo, I might pin and weld a suppressor on to the barrel make it a one stamp gun.

In the meantime, until I build and test such a gun, I am sticking with the Grendel.  As I get older and get more involved with hunting I find myself leaning ever more strongly toward guns that are lightweight and easy to move around.  I have a couple of 6.5Grendel ARs, but neither of them folds down.  If I were starting this from scratch, I'd be gettins on from FoldAR.  I have a FoldAR 5.56 and in terms of packaging it up for transportation, it is a markedly easier thing to do.  It also ends up pretty incospicuous.

The optic for it would probably have to be the new March 1.5-15x42 https://bit.ly/4acN2at because I need lower magnification for use with thermals (I like pig hunting).  I'll confirm that when March with the updated reticle gets here next week.  My perenial favourite, Tangent Theta TT315M https://bit.ly/41dz6c8 works with clip-ons in a pinch on 3x, but it is not ideal.  It is also notably longer than the March.  Tangent is better optically, especially on higher power.  The way my mind seems work, I want shorter scopes on semi-autos.  For a boltgun, Tangent is absolutely my choice.   

Are there less expensive scope options?  Yes, certainly, although that depends on what you want to do. 

If you are not terribly pre-occupied with low light (i.e. if you have a thermal scope or clip-on) a modern LPVO is rpetty damn close to a "do all" optic.  I'd lean toward one of the options that has side focus.  That's either March 1-10x24 https://bit.ly/486i95y or Delta Stryker 1-10x28.  Since we are getting into the somewhat more affordable possibilities, Delta for $1700 is extremely compelling https://annexdefense.com/delta-stryker-hd-1-10x28-rifle-scope-do-2517-1-10/ 

Delta 3.5-21x44 is one of the better options if you do not need 1x.  This one is right around $1600.  https://annexdefense.com/delta-stryker-hd-3-5-21x44-rifle-scope/

These two Delta scopes are really carving a niche for themselves in the $1500 range.  Tract's Toric 4-25x50 is similar money, but at almost 40 ounces, I think it is intended for different applications.  With crossovers use, for the time being, I think the Deltas ahve it.

Vortex PST Gen2 3-15x44 does a little bit of everything for a lot less money.  https://bit.ly/489K8kZ Same for Tract Toric 2.5-15x44.  PST Gen2 has wider apparent FOV, so it has almost he same real FOV on 3x, as Tract has on 2.5x. 

The two above are right under $1k.  Going much further down than that gets pretty iffy, because compromizes keep piling up.  I am going to have to go out on a limb and assume that if you are shopping for a day scope well under $1k, thermals are probably not in your budget.  In that case, we can look at some fixed power scopes and see if losing variable magnification is a viable compromise.

If you want to stay with a variable scope, Athlon Helos BTR Gen2 2-12x42 is about the right size and seems to be a well built scope.  The reticle is not hugely conducive to long range, but it works.  It works nicely with clip-ons though.

If you want to go with fixed power, Element Immersive 5x30 prismatics give you pretty high end image quality for less money.  The compromize is that you a can have any magnification you want as long as it is 5x.  Now that I have had that scope for a while, I have to admit that I can stretch it to longer distances than I anticipated.  800 yards plates are perfectly viable in good light.  600 yards is pretty comfortable most of the time.  That means I can probably aim at a deer out to 300 yards or so.  That sorta makes sense since I shot an elk at a hair over 300 yards a couple of years ago.  The scope was a 1.5-8x32.  That same shot would have been perfectly comfortable with a fixed 5x. 

Perhaps, a good way to approach this is to think whether all of the optics I mention would work well with an AR-15 in 6.5Grendel.  It so happens I have tried that exact setup with good success.  How about with a bolt gun in 8.6 Blackout?  The answer is, again, yes.  How about my hypothertical 8.6Blackout semi-auto with a 12" barrel?  Probably, except with longer scopes, you might not have much room to add a clip-on.  

One question that comes up year after year is why I am loathe to consider large frame ARs chambered for 308Win or something similar.  I have made a few experiments and decided that if I get the gun light enough, recoil control gets iffy and the gun fights me too much.  8.6Blackout is a pretty mild cartridge, so I am going to experiment with it and see if my general concerns with large frame ARs can be alleviated.

As I was deliberating through all of this, I decided to set up a different scenario.  This one deviates a bit from the "only one" idea somewhat, but it is still a useful exercise.

Let's say, the Democrats manage to push through a law that limits how many guns you can have.  Somehow.  Let's say you can have a grand total of four firearms.  How would your choices be then?  That will be in the next installment of this thought exercise.  Give it a little thought until then.

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The production version of the Annex Defense's mount for the Steiner C35 Gen2 thermal Clip-on is finally here.  At $1600 (when this is published), the clip-on is an absolute steal.

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It is not quite an equivalent of a QD mount, but we needed something with an extremely low profile clamp to fit under scopes with fairly large objectives.  As is, the mount works with most scope that have objective lens diameter of 50mm or less.

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Scoping Gas Guns
an interesting question that acme in via PM

I received this question via a private message and thought it was interesting enough to answer it in some detail.  I have been thinking a lot about appropriate optics for gas guns recently, so this came it at the right time.

 

Here is what I ahve been messing with last few days:

 

Above: 18" WOA barrel 5.56 AR-15 with Burris XTR PS 5.5-30x56 on it.

Below: 22" Satern barrel 224Valkyrie AR-15 with Delta Stryker 3.5-21x44 on it.


For obvious reasons, I am not posting who asked the question, but what I'll do is send him a link to this article, so that he gets an answer and we might have a good discussion.
Here is what I received:

Had a question for you
I have a Knights Armament SR25 6.5CM with a 14.5" barrel - I plan on shooting 100 - 600 yards at targets at 100 yd intervals
I am favoring the TT 315P with an Aimpont Acro mounted on top -( see you liked the TT315M) - would that be enough magnification?
I saw the SB SB 5-20 which offer more top end - I like the turrets on the Tanget and tooless Zero - what are your thoughts between the 2?
If I stayed 400 and under - how do you see the TT315P with the Acro Red dot against the SB 1-8 Short Dot (saw your review on that)

There isn't really enough information in the question for a simple answer, so let's consider a couple of options.

What is the gun for? 

For shooting medium range (out to 600) with occasional close range use?  If yes, go with a conventional scope and offset or piggybacked RDS.

For shooting at close distance with occasional med/long range use? If yes, so with a nice LPVO like the above mentioned S&B Short Dot 1-8x24 https://alnk.to/3J8vlFv.  It is quite capable at long range, but where it will really knock your socks off is up close and personal.

The question of what is enough magnification is pretty personal.  For me, 3-15x is plenty, but I shoot a lot off of the tripod and off of barricades which likely influences my decision.  For that, my 3-15x50 TT315M Tangent works great and 6mrad of elevation is plenty.  https://alnk.to/gVNkUXB  175gr #08 out of a shoter tube will drop in the 5 to 5.5mrad range at 600 yards.

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S&B Short Dot is a very nice scope, but March is a newer design and, other than the lowest light, has an edge in terms of image fidelity and stray light control.

TT315P Tangent is a veyr ncie scope and toolles turrets are appealing.  However, there is a weight penalty to that.  For me, that was not worth it.  I ahve 5-25x56 and 7-35x Tangents and those toolless turrets are spectacular.  However, in a 3-15x50, I am quit ecomfortable with simpler 6mrad per turn knobs on the TT315M.

 

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A morning with a chronograph

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More to come.

 

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