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If starting from scratch: Optics and Accessories

Before I do Phase 3 of the "thou shalt have no empty space in the gun safe" project, we should talk a little bit about other optics and other things. Some are observation optics, some various auxiliary accessories.

If forced to start form scratch, I have to think carefully about what I actually use.

The whole discussion of what I like and do not like is about to follow and it will invariably, end up with spending a lot of hypothetical money.

If I was forced to choose one optic to pick up and use for hunting, observation, spotting for other shooters and for range estimation without having to sell a kidney, it would be Delta 9x45 LRF binocular. It is a very good general purpose magnification, perfectly respectable range finding module and excellent build quality for around $1150.
https://annexdefense.com/delta-lrf-binoculars-delta-t-9x45-hd-rf-bino-rangefinder-do-2720/

For me, the order of importance is as follows:
General purpose binocular
LRF
Thermal
High magnification binocular
Low magnification binocular
Night Vision
Spotter

Naturally, that implies to standalone devices. When there is integration of some sort happening, everything changes.

Now, onto the details:

Spotting scope would be among the last items I spend money on. I simply do not use spotters all that much outside of the range and for that I want a very specific feature set: I want good depth of field, reticle and integrated LRF. There is a product coming out onto the market that will give me all of that, but until I get one into my hands I can't make recommendations.

Until then, the spotter that lives in my bag is Athlon Ares G2 UHD with a 65mm lens https://bit.ly/3P5gSWi and 22x reticle eyepiece https://bit.ly/3P7oO9t. It does everything I need of it at a reasonable cost and reasonable bulk. I do also have the 15-45x variable eyepiece and I almost never use it. It so happens the lighting and air conditions I face most of the time, 22x is a pretty good general purpose magnification.

If money is no object, Hensoldt 15-45x72 is still the best for shooting sports. It is not clear whether it is still imported and I am not itching to spend that much money on a spotter.

Out in the field, I use binoculars a lot. Even at the range, if I am spotting or looking for trace, I am generally more likely to use binoculars since using both eyes gives me fatigue. I predominantly use three binoculars:

Kowa 6.5x32 for general purpose use where wide FOV and moderate magnification make a big difference https://bit.ly/3J4XjcU

Vortex Razor UHD 10x50 for hunting https://bit.ly/3qH6Gcc

Tract Toric 15x56 for spotting and long distance hunting observation https://tractoptics.com/all-products/toric-uhd-15x56-schott-ht-spotting-binoculars

Unfortunately, none of these have reticles and, since I am not a birder, I could use one. The holy grail would be a binocular that has a reticle and LRF. Steiner porro 10x50 got close, but it did not have an inclinometer in the LRF module which is a deal killer for me. I need equivalent horizontal distance.

Given that I live where there is a lot of open space, the first one to start with would be a 10x50. If I lived in a more wooded area, it would be an 8x42. For a general purpose binocular that will be used in a variety of lighting conditions, a 5mm exit pupil is about right and I do not want it to be an an ultra light. A little bit of weight helps stability and cuts down on fatigue.
If I could afford it, I would still own a Leica Noctivid 8x42. It is the best image quality I have ever seen. https://bit.ly/43vWe69 If Leica made a 10x50 version, I probably would not be able to resist myself and splurged.
However, they do not.

In the meantime, Vortex Razor UHD 10x50 does everything I want it to and I would probably stick with it again. If you want to stay on a bit more of a budget Tract Toric 10x50 is a very good choice.

Some people around here prefer 12x50, but 10x is about as high as I can comfortably handhold since I do not always spot off of a tripod.

The big question is whether to get a binocular with integrated LRF or two standalone optics. If you are looking to simplify things, an integrated unit is clearly better. In the past, you had to get Leica/Swarovski/Zeiss for the binocular to be good. Now, there are more affordable options like the Delta 9x45 I mentioned above. Meopta Optika LR 10x42 is likely made in the same factory in China and it is also very good. I just happened to prefer the 9x45 configuration.

On the high end, it is between Leica Geovid Pro, Zeiss Victory RF and Swarovski EL Range. For the same configuration, Leica agrees with my eyes better. However, I really prefer larger objectives and heavier binoculars when I also have to range with them, so I want a larger than 42mm objective here, so it is between Leica Geovid PRO 8x56 https://bit.ly/3MYiH4H and Zeiss Victory RF 10x54. https://bit.ly/43BE7M3 Out here, I'd probably get the 10x54 Zeiss. Pick the magnification you like.

Either one of these is closer to $4k than I am comfortable with, so for now I am sticking with separate binocular and LRF units.

I have two standalone LRFs that I use: Leica Rangemaster 3500.com https://bit.ly/3aRrmXB and Vortex Razor 4000 GB (note that the GB model is new and it talks to the Geoballistics app). https://bit.ly/3X2yWSP

One of the reasons I like standalone LRF is that they make for pretty decent monoculars. That's the reason why you do not see Sig LRFs or LRF binoculars listed here. They are great rangefinders, but image quality suffers.

The new Razor is a better bang for the buck. Image quality is quite good. App integration is very good. It gets very good distances, especially in tripod mounted ELR mode. There is a 1/4-20 mounting point on it which I really like.

Leica has better optics and it is smaller and more pocketable. It is also more money.

I really do not know which way to go with this one.

Both will pair with Kestrel. If you shoot long range, you need a windmeter. I use Kestrel 5700 Elite and it is very capable. Leica LRF is paired to it and I am happy with how well it all works.

That having been said, Kestrel has AB model in it and does ton of things. That you may or may not need. It is also expensive.

GeoBallistics app that I use and that pairs with the Vortex Razor 4000 GB also works with the much less expensive WeatherFlow windmeter. I have one on the way to investigate is as a less expensive alternative.

In the meantime, I can comfortably recommend Leica Rangemaster 3500.com with Kestrel 5700 Elite https://bit.ly/3oNQzJD

I just have not used too many standalone LRFs, but I will rectify that. Whether Razor 4000 GB with WeatherFlow works well enough to be recommended remains to be seen. It is definitely a much more wallet friendly option (by about a grand at regular prices).

Thermals keep on changing. If I were looking for one general purpose device, I would want something with a 640x480 (VGA) core, 35mm lens if 12um pixel pitch or 50mm lens if 17um pixel pitch. I would also want it to have scope and clip-on modes.

Accufire announced their Incendis Pro during SHOT, but I have not yet seen these in the wild. It promises to be the Swiss Army knife of thermals.
https://www.accufiretech.com/product/incendis-pro-thermal/

If you are not keen on clip-ons and just want a thermal scope, the best bang for the buck is probably with Bering Optics Super Yoter R 35mm (or N-Vision Nox35 if you want to go higher end. https://bit.ly/3qyFTiz)

However, this is one of those situations where I would splurge and spend the money on iRay Rico Pro that offers variable optic with switchable 25/50mm optic. That, to me, is a gamechanger. https://bit.ly/3P4QiNc

With budget thermals... look for products getting discontinued. That's where the deals are and they changed all the time. I use the original lower resoluton Accufire Incendis https://bit.ly/3CAuCRM
and Burris BTC-50 with rail mount adapter.
https://bit.ly/3NmDm3W
https://bit.ly/3CjeN1c

After spending that much money on a thermal, I would take a long break before buying anything else.

With night vision, I use Photonis PD Pro 16M and I have nothing but good things to say about it. It is a lot of money though and less important for me than the thermal. Talk to Brooks Precision if you are interested in it.

SiOnyx OPSIN is under $3k and while not as good as the Photonis in low light offers a lot of interesting capabilities. For helmet use well under $3k, I would be very tempted by it. https://bit.ly/45SKhJg

A few words on tripods, shooting mats, bags, etc are to come at a later point.

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Vortex Defender XL Green

This is the second time Vortex' Defender XL crosses my path. I was very impressed with the original red dot version, so I was curious to see how the one with the green dot works for my eyes.
To get the details, see the attached video.
The cliff's notes version is that I am just as impressed with this one. In terms of collimation quality and parallax control, it is quite exceptional.
https://alnk.to/881BEV1

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Primary Arms HTX-1 US Made red dot sight

I've had this RDS for a bit over two months now and I am beyond pleased with it.
Despite some spirited abuse, it keeps soldiering on.
https://alnk.to/1C9z5dw
It is a very nice RDS and being fully made in the US does not hurt either.

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Delta Stryker 3.5-21x44 Wrap-up

This scope comes up a lot since I really like the configuration. It is time to do a final wrap-up of it.

It is one of my favourite scopes on the market today, especially for the money, since I naturally lean toward general purpose-ish designs. Still, while the 3.5-21x44 Stryker is relatively compact and light, it still clearly leans toward the precision side of things, which suites me very well.

https://annexdefense.com/optics-and-optic-accessories/delta-optics/

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I was a bit confused at the beginning but this is a new Model looking at the turret compare to old LH2-10x40,
Any news on this ?
https://www.amazon.com/Vortex-Optics-Razor-Second-Riflescopes/dp/B0FBMNTW52?th=1

Updates, deals and new review items: PLxC RDB, Zeiss Tripod, etc

As the week is coming to an end, I find myself in an unusual place: home.

I plan to be home between now and September 1st when I have to go to Israel for ten days, returning on the 11th (dayjob stuff).

For the last couple of months, between family vacations, work and a couple of matches, it seems like I only spent enough time at home to check zero on my 6.5CM Fix and head out again (it has not shifted, thank you Area 419 mount).

I have a lot to do during the next two weeks, but I will try to take some pictures, film some footage and release it as I go along. I can edit videos on the plane or in Israel just about as well as I can at home.

While generally, I am very picky about what I accept for review (given my bandwidth limitations), I do have a few new things here worth talking about.

One is Primary Arms new PLxC RDB 1-8x24 LPVO. It is essentially a version of the original FFP PLxC LPVO except with different reticle illumination technology. The new model utilizes diffractive reticle illumination (same style ...

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Steiner C35 Gen2 Mount
from Annex Defense

The production version of the Annex Defense's mount for the Steiner C35 Gen2 thermal Clip-on is finally here.  At $1600 (when this is published), the clip-on is an absolute steal.

I've had it for a few days, but, me being the good old paranoid me, I spent some time shooting with it before posting anything.  I had a couple of days with it prior to last weekend's match in Montana and a couple of days after.  Another to pop it on and off a few times and get a couple of hundred rounds of 6.5Grendel through the gun to see if anything shakes loose.  So far so good.

The C35 Gen2 clip-on is sitting on my 6.5Grendel AR as a part of a long running "Only One" project that I have.  It pairs perfectly with the Steiner H6Xi 2-12x42 scope.

Here is what comes in the box from Annex Defense:

The order in which the whole thing comes togethe is pretty stragihtforward:

-slide the thermal washer onto the threaded interface extending out of the back of the clip-on

-spin the mount itself onto the threaded interface (the mount is threaded on the inside) until it can go no further

-rotate the mount so that the clip-on is properly lined up to the picatinny clamp

-once you are happy with the alignment, use the three nylon tipped set screws (you'll need an allen wrench for that) to lock in the position of the clip-on in the mount.  You need very little torque on the set screws.  They are there for one reason and one reason only: to keep the mount from spinning when you tighten the timing nut in the next step

-spin the timing nut onto the threaded interface of the clip-on to lock the mount in place.  You should not need the timing nut wrench, but one is in there just in case.

Here are the pieces laid out in the order in which you will need them.

When you are done, it should look like this:

Note that the mount normaly comes with two T20 screws.  I am using two thumbscrews instead, since I am popping the mount on and off all the time.  It seems to be staying put with the thumbscrews just fine.  I am hoping Annex will offer the thumbscrews as an option.

It is not quite an equivalent of a QD mount, but we needed something with an extremely low profile clamp to fit under scopes with fairly large objectives.  As is, the mount works with most scope that have objective lens diameter of 50mm or less.

I am using with with Steiner H6Xi 2-12x42 and the two work together exceedingly well.

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Scoping Gas Guns
an interesting question that acme in via PM

I received this question via a private message and thought it was interesting enough to answer it in some detail.  I have been thinking a lot about appropriate optics for gas guns recently, so this came it at the right time.

 

Here is what I ahve been messing with last few days:

 

Above: 18" WOA barrel 5.56 AR-15 with Burris XTR PS 5.5-30x56 on it.

Below: 22" Satern barrel 224Valkyrie AR-15 with Delta Stryker 3.5-21x44 on it.


For obvious reasons, I am not posting who asked the question, but what I'll do is send him a link to this article, so that he gets an answer and we might have a good discussion.
Here is what I received:

Had a question for you
I have a Knights Armament SR25 6.5CM with a 14.5" barrel - I plan on shooting 100 - 600 yards at targets at 100 yd intervals
I am favoring the TT 315P with an Aimpont Acro mounted on top -( see you liked the TT315M) - would that be enough magnification?
I saw the SB SB 5-20 which offer more top end - I like the turrets on the Tanget and tooless Zero - what are your thoughts between the 2?
If I stayed 400 and under - how do you see the TT315P with the Acro Red dot against the SB 1-8 Short Dot (saw your review on that)

There isn't really enough information in the question for a simple answer, so let's consider a couple of options.

What is the gun for? 

For shooting medium range (out to 600) with occasional close range use?  If yes, go with a conventional scope and offset or piggybacked RDS.

For shooting at close distance with occasional med/long range use? If yes, so with a nice LPVO like the above mentioned S&B Short Dot 1-8x24 https://alnk.to/3J8vlFv.  It is quite capable at long range, but where it will really knock your socks off is up close and personal.

The question of what is enough magnification is pretty personal.  For me, 3-15x is plenty, but I shoot a lot off of the tripod and off of barricades which likely influences my decision.  For that, my 3-15x50 TT315M Tangent works great and 6mrad of elevation is plenty.  https://alnk.to/gVNkUXB  175gr #08 out of a shoter tube will drop in the 5 to 5.5mrad range at 600 yards.

For a dedicated long range semi-auto, other than the looks, there isn't much downside to a larger scope, which is why I set up Burris' XTR PS on the 5.56 AR pictured above.  It is for my son to learn to shoot at distance and to us in next year's BOTC match.  https://alnk.to/gp33YuR

If I were setting up an accurate semi-auto and wanted a high mag scope for it, I would likely lean toward March 4.5-28x52. https://alnk.to/dLjHgjh  It is compact, relatively light and very good optically for any use other than the dead of the night (for which we should be using clip-ons anyway).

S&B Short Dot is a very nice scope, but March is a newer design and, other than the lowest light, has an edge in terms of image fidelity and stray light control.

TT315P Tangent is a veyr ncie scope and toolles turrets are appealing.  However, there is a weight penalty to that.  For me, that was not worth it.  I ahve 5-25x56 and 7-35x Tangents and those toolless turrets are spectacular.  However, in a 3-15x50, I am quit ecomfortable with simpler 6mrad per turn knobs on the TT315M.

 

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A morning with a chronograph

When I tell people that I am using Hornady's factory ammo for matches, I get occasionally surprised looks.  Occasionally.  Most of the time, I get fairly condescending looks from handloaders who would not let a factory round pollute the chambers of their precision rifles if their lives depended on it.

To be fair, if I had the time, I might be reloading as well.  I might be able to do better than modern factory ammo, but the truth is that I am not a quarter MOA shooter, so a lot of that would be lost on me.  The UKD matches I fidn most interesting can be done by a competent shooter with a 1MOA gun.  I am working on that first part.  I reload when I have to, but if I can get factory ammo that's not outrageously expensive and that shoots well, I will go with that every time.

I looked around and realized that I have about 600 rounds of Hornady 147gr 6.5CM factory ammo from two lots.  400 rounds from one that I will use during the match later this month.  The remainder I will likely use up practicing prior to that.

I woke up early and snuck out to the range while my family was still asleep earlier today.

I set up in the 100 yard tunnel we have.  I took my four shots to zero with the lot I plan to use for the match.  Then I fired a six shot ~0.7MOA group.  That's accurate enough for my purposes.

Here are the chronograph results:

It is slow, but accurate and consistent.

Then I shot a five round group of Hornady 147gr ammo from the other lot.

Both of those lots are not too shabby for factory ammo.  POI was within 0.2mrad between the two lots, all laterally.  

 

I had some other ammo on hand, so I fired two five shot groups with Berger 144gr hybrid target ammo and Sako TRG 136gr.

Here is what I got for five rounds of Berger:

That's not a ton of statistics, but it is a data point.  The group was ~1.1MOA

 

Here the data for the Sako TRG 136gr ammo:

This ammo showed some mild pressure signs, but not too significant.  

Again, this is not a ton of data, but Hornady is looking pretty decent here.

I'll repeat the zero retention and consistency tests a couple more times between now and June 18th when we head to Wyoming.

I might pick up a couple more boxes of Hornady 147gr from a different lot to get some more data.

More to come.

 

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