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LPVO Value Proposition?

I received a really good question on LPVOs via a private message and I think it is worth digging into a little more in a future livecast. Let me know if this is something you want discussed.
The question itself was rather detailed, which I like, and I will leave the details in a private conversation where they were asked. However, the gyst of it is as follows: "With Low Powered Variable Optics of today, at what price point do you get the most for you money?"
The same question can be asked about prismatic scopes (and I am looking at a whole bunch of them right now trying to answer that) and non-focusing sights (I spent part of the last two years trying to answer that, so I am pretty up to speed there).
Naturally, the discussion gets really complicated by the "Made in China" question. Are you willing to buy a Chinese made product or not?
I take a pretty dim view of Chinese Communist Party, as you may imagine, but I am also a realist and a lot of stuff is made in China. Moreover, I have to be honest with you and admit that sporting optics are not exactly something that makes any difference in the great power competition between the US and China. Now, high tech stuff, like 5G technology, high tech military technologies and semiconductor stuff is a different ballgame. On top of that, I also have to differentiate between the Chinese Communist Party and normal Chinese engineers and technicians who just want to live their lives and trust the CCP about as much as you an I do.
Ultimately, I do not pretend to have any sort of an answer on whether we should be buying Made in China optics and that is something you should answer for yourself. I own a good number of Chinese-made products and I make it a point to note where things are made, so you can make a decision for yourself.
I do try to stick to brands that also have some sort of a presence in the US and that are trying to grow their operations here, but as I said, you have to make your own decisions there. I am happy to make recommendation either way, as long as we define the boundary conditions the right way.
Perhaps, I'll do a livecast on where I think the value curve tops out for different types AR optics, i.e. price point beyond which you run into diminishing returns.
With LPVOs, it really depends on what you are looking for. If you are looking for a true do all scope, I think $2k for Vortex Razor Gen3 1-10x24 is where it is at. It is a lot of money, but FFP LPVOs with bright reticle illumination are still expensive.
If you are willing to compromise on a few things here and there, you can save a lot of money. For example, if your typical use is restricted to mid/close range or at least you do not need engage targets beyond 500 yards or so on a regular basis, you can save a lot of money by sticking with several excellent options in the $800-$1200 range (Delta Stryker 1-6x24, Vortex Razor Gen2, Sig Tango6, etc). That is the price range that better Chinese scopes are really pushing into and seem to offer a lot of value.
For example, SwampFox Arrowhead 1-10x24 surprised me with how competent it is for under $600 and there are several new models coming from multiple manufacturer that will likely take a step above that.
Thankfully, there are a lot of options in the $500-$1200 range made in China, Phillipines and Japan, so if you are clear in terms of feature you are looking for, it is not terribly difficult to come up with something.
I plan to continue looking at LPVOs in 2021 and the under $2k segment is what interests me the most.
I am really curious about the Sig Tango 6t that is assembled in the US.
Athlon has a new Ares ETR 1-10x24 coming out that I really should look at.
I am sure SwampFox has something interesting up their sleeve, but like most makers they have a hard time keeping up with demand with their current products.
I am looking at a few very compelling red dots and prismatics from Primary Arms, and I am considering re-visiting some of their LPVOs as well.
Burris is definitely due for a new LPVO since they discontinued the 1-8x24 XTR II. I am sure they have something coming.
Their sister company, Steiner, is doing some really clever things with thermal scopes and I wonder what they have planned for LPVOs.
Crimson Trace is a company to watch. They have some new stuff coming out and they understand how important the AR market is.
Vortex already has one of the most complete LPVO line-ups in the business, so I am not sure what to expect from them in 2021, but time will tell.
Leupold is a little weak at the moment as far as LPVOs go and a lot of their recent designs have been very good. I am very curious to see what they are planning.
Bushnell is also a little weak there, especially in the mid-to-high end where they discontinued just about everything they had. I am sure they are cooking something up.
And the list goes on. I suspect that four years of Kamala Harris in the White House will keep the gun market very lively with shortages of damn near everything. It will be difficult for optics companies to balance out the need to manufacture existing products with the need to develop new ones. 2021 will likely tell us in which direction different companies will lean.

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Vortex Defender XL Green

This is the second time Vortex' Defender XL crosses my path. I was very impressed with the original red dot version, so I was curious to see how the one with the green dot works for my eyes.
To get the details, see the attached video.
The cliff's notes version is that I am just as impressed with this one. In terms of collimation quality and parallax control, it is quite exceptional.
https://alnk.to/881BEV1

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Primary Arms HTX-1 US Made red dot sight

I've had this RDS for a bit over two months now and I am beyond pleased with it.
Despite some spirited abuse, it keeps soldiering on.
https://alnk.to/1C9z5dw
It is a very nice RDS and being fully made in the US does not hurt either.

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Delta Stryker 3.5-21x44 Wrap-up

This scope comes up a lot since I really like the configuration. It is time to do a final wrap-up of it.

It is one of my favourite scopes on the market today, especially for the money, since I naturally lean toward general purpose-ish designs. Still, while the 3.5-21x44 Stryker is relatively compact and light, it still clearly leans toward the precision side of things, which suites me very well.

https://annexdefense.com/optics-and-optic-accessories/delta-optics/

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Hi Ilya,

How does the optical quality and FOV of the new version March FX 5-42x High Master Gen II compare to alpha scopes (TT 7-35x56 for example)?

Thanks!

For the next raffle...

Something I forgot to mention in yesterday's post.

I picked up a gift certificate from XS Sights off of the prize table on Saturday and will raffle it off during the next livestream

This one will be limited to supporting members of this Locals community only.

To be eligible, you will have to be present at the livestream, be a supporting member here and email me with you name and username at [email protected]

The certificate is good for one set of sights with a total value of up to $215.

It is somewhat fortuitous since when it comes to irons, I have a pretty solid preference for XS Sights of all that are available.

It does not hurt that they are also good people.

For example, for offset irons for ARs, their XTI sights are just superb. https://alnk.to/3yecUYr

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Shana Tova achi!

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Black Rifle Match at Del Norte
Slow. Just Slow.

There is a saying out there that "slow is smooth and smooth is fast".  Watching good shooters do this, I agree.

In my personal practice, I think I've mastered the slow part.  Now, I need to work on smooth and not worry about fast.

This was a one gun match.  Everyone I saw was using ARs, though it could be done just as easily with an AK.

The stages were all inspired by John Wick movies:

  1. High Table Highway
  2. The Catacombs
  3. Under The Table
  4. Nowhere to Run
  5. No Blood On Continental Grounds
  6. Dammit Perkins: Hallway Edition
  7. Continental Rooftop
  8. Guns, Lots of Guns
  9. Yeah, I thnking I'm zeroed

I took videos of all the stages, but Stage 3 for some reason:

For stage 4, I asked someone to take a video of me going through the stage.

Since I've never done a match like this, I elected to not push the pace and just try to hit everything on my own time.  It was quite a bit of fun, I must admit, and I will try to shoot more of these if they are local.  Having now done this once, I think I can comfortably go about 20% faster without losing accuracy.

Most of the shooting was pretty close, so it did not requie any precision.  A couple of stages did involve plates somewhere between 80 and 175 yards.  I did not expect that, so the gun I used was zeroed with Mk262 ammo, while I was shooting 55gr XM193.  I prefer to not mess with the zero of this gun too much, so next time I will load 3 30round mags with 77gr ammo to use on the stages where that is required.  Still, it did not slow me down too much.  It took two shots to figure out where 55s were shooting and then I was good.

As is usually the case, the difficult part in a match like this comes down to speed and efficiency, not ultimate accuracy.

They have several divisions and I chose to shoot in the Tactical Optics one.  That basically means you get to have one sighting system only, either an LPVO or prismatic or red dot with magnifier (single red dot is a different division).  You are allowed magazines of no more than 30 rounds and you can not use any shooting support supplements (no bags, bipods, etc).  You can have a sling, but on most stages it gets in the way.  We only needed one for Stage 4 since it started with breeching a door with a provided shotgun.

The gun I used is the recently build AR-15 where I used Q's 1-5" 5.56 barrel that is 9.68" long.  The handguard is Q's 9" OTP.  The suppressor is also from Q: The Southpaw.  The gun was not really broken in, but it is all broken in now.  I saw several guns go down during the match due to dirt and/or mechanical issues (broken charging handle, for example), but I had zero reliability issues with mine.  Most people were shooting unsupressed, but I would not change anything.  

The optic I used was Primary Arms' new PLxC 1-8x24 RDB and it was absolutely excellent.  It was rainy in the morning and overcast the rest of the day.

On 1x with that nuclear bright dot, it was stupid fast on target.  However, for more distant targets it was nice to dial in to 3x or so.

Interestingly, I had to dial down the dot brightness as the match proceeded since it was a little too bright.  On some of the more distant targets, the brightness got in the way a little.  I shot one stage on 1x with the illumination turned off.  I am not convinced it slowed me down much, but that could be due to me being new at this.  Still, I was able to figure out the aiming point without any issues.

My original plan was to eventually transition this gun to an Elcan 4x with a piggybacked red dot, but now I am having some reservations about it.  Both the PLxC and the Elcan use BDC reticles that do not work great with the reduced velocities out of a sub-10" barrel, but I can adapt them in a pinch, I suppose.

Given how light and compact the PLxC is, now that it has a diffractively illuminated reticle, it may very well be the best bang for the buck in the high end LPVO world.  It still uses the center chevron that many do not like, but it seems to work fine for my purposes.  The reticle is better (simpler) than on the previous FFP PLxC. It is somewhat similar to the original Meters PLxC reticle that is pretty good.

The eyepiece design on PLxC scopes is just spectacular.  The eyepiece bezel around the image is barely visible at all and the scope is exceedingly easy to use.

Overall, this gun the way it is set up now, is rapidly becoming my favourite general purpose AR variant I own.  I'll do a separate video on it at some point.

I did inadvertently learn what happens if you throw a gun with a blazing hot suppressor into a soft case.

We had to case the guns when walking from stage to stage.  I think I need a new case...

Funny thing is that I have a suppressor cover for the Southpaw, but for some reason I do not recall now I pulled it off.  It is gong back on.

The Q-cert OTP hanguard is just the right diameter for my hand and I appreciate the front grip that comes with it.  With a short-ish 9" handguard, I can't C-clamp it with a nearly straight arm, so hook the bottom three fingers of my support hand on the front grip with the index finger pointing forward and the thumb on top of the handguard.  The elbow is somewhat bent, but it is very easy to drive the gun that way and pull it a little bit back into my shoulder for a consistent hold during transitions.

Since I was worried about the 180 rule and concerned about my inexperience with running around with a gun, I did not try to push the pace at all and, in retrospect, that was the right move.  I was not rushed at any point.  I did not time out at any point.  I did not have any accuracy issues.  I did lose focus on one of the stages and forgot about three of the targets.  I was more or less on point the rest of it.

This particular match happens twice a year at the Del Norte shooting range, so I will make sure they are on my calendar.  While my primary interest with shooting sports is still with NRL Hutner and PRS stages, the faster tactical mataches are a nice diversion and offer a possibility of dragging my brother into it.  I do not know if he has the patience for precision rifle, but he would definitely enjoy this match.  I'll see if I can drag him into shooting the next one with me.

Another interesting thing is that one of the gentlemen in my squad turned out to be Parker Tomasi, the owner of Legacy Ranch.  Legacy Ranch is a new-ish private shooting facility about 45 minute drive from my house.  They are constantly expanding and, apparently, are planning to add a 1000 yard range to what they offer (currently, 450 yards is the max they have).  Parker, aside from being an exceptionally capable shot, seemed like a stand up gentleman.  I am going to go visit Legacy Ranch and see if I want to become a member.

Legacy Ranch could also be an interesting venue if I ever were to organize a shooting class or a match as a get together for those willing to travel.  They do have classrooms available.  Two of the owners are Scout snipers and they do not have any issues with guest instructors, so I can potentially invite someone like Phil Velayo or Tony Cowden or Frank Galli to come teach a class for us (assuming there is interest).

 

 

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Well, that was a doozy...

My original plan was to try to set up a hunt where my daughter will have her first memorable hunting experience without working too hard.

The choice of the pronghorn hunt was largely based off of my experience in that same area last year.

The way it went last year was quite straightforward.  We drove around until we saw a large pronghorn buck.  It was a solitary animal that decided to lie down in an open area to relax.  We made a short stock, crawled the last hundred yards or so, found a good spot about 350 yards away from the pronghorn and made the shot.

https://darklordofoptics.locals.com/post/6034347/well-that-was-a-nice-morning

This year, when I decided to take my daugher on the same pronghorn hunt on the day of her 14th birthday, I figured it will be somewhere along those same lines.  It kinda was, but not quite.

Still, it worked out nicely.

In the pciture:

Q Mini-Fix with 6ARC 16" Proof Research carbon fiber barrel

Q Jumbo Shrimp supressor

Gunwerks Elevate 2.0 bipod

Telson Toxin 3-18x50 riflescope

Leica Geovid Pro AB+ LRF binoculars

Pint-sized sticky Gamechanger bag

Unnamed pronghorn buck.  It will likely get a name once it's skull is euro-ed and is hanging on the wall.

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Arming The Children
A couple of very specific children that is

In case you were wondering, no, I am not starting an underage militia.

I do have two kids though and I am teaching them to shoot.

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