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Why I recommend 6.5 CM all the time, but do not own one

Back when I started shooting, if someone was new to this thing and wanted to get into the precision side of things, you were generally told to go get a heavy barrel 308 bolt action rifle, put it into a decent stock of some sort (McMillan if you had money or Choate if you didn't), get a Leupold scope on it and learn to handload. If you do not want to handload, Federal Gold Medal Match was the ammo to use.
That is still a pretty respectable way to go, but a lot has changed in terms of what's available. For one thing, quality of factory ammo has improved by leaps and bounds. It will cost you a little money, but with popular calibers you can get by with factory ammo.
20-30 years ago match quality factory ammo was hard to come by and 308Win was damn near every game in tow.
Nowadays, when someone comes to me and they want to get into deer hunting or precision shooting, I routinely send them in the general direction of 6.5CM.
It kicks a little less than the 308, flies a little flatter than the 308, still has very respectable barrel life (by the time you wear out a 6.5CM barrel, you'll know what you are doing, so you'll now if you want to switch) and is just as capable against deer-sized game.
As far as rifles go, as a first bolt gun, I usually steer them toward one of the several excellent Tikka T3X variants. There are other accurate factory rifles, but I am partial toward Tikkas and noone has yet come back to tell me it wasn't accurate enough. There is also enough aftermarket support if you decide to get serious about it: aftermarket barrels, stocks, etc are plentiful.
I have had a good number of 6.5CM rifles go through my hands. They have generally shot well and most were very shootable.
Yet, I do not own one. Why?
I have several good reasons.
One is quite simply that I am not new at this and I am not trying to do multiple things with the same gun. Now, if I were dead set on shooting NRL Hunter and trying to place well, I would probably lean toward 6.5CM due to power requirements there. However, for hunting I do not really need it since I happen to already have 308 Win that has more pop at hunting distances, 243Win that shoots flatter with less recoil, 280Rem that has more pop and shoots further and flatter and 300WSM that has even more pop and shoots even further and flatter. I also have a bunch of other guns in a bunch of other calibers of varying exotic-ness (new word?).
I keep on thinking about getting a nice 6.5CM because everyone should probably have one and every time I stop myself. I am all for getting new guns, but 6.5CM simply does not do anything for me that my current assortment of artillery does not.
Now, as was pointed out to me when I went sheep hunting, 308Win is not really a sheep hunter's cartridge. However, that happened to be the gun I shoot well and it worked out just fine. Still, I think it is fair to say I do not really have a true flat shooting sheep gun. That kinda made me think of 6.5CM, but a faster 6.5 would probably do the job better. The natural step up in speed is the 6.5PRC and I have been really thinking about one.
However, I really like the idea of hunting with a shorter barrel. I have been hunting with my 24" barrel 308WIn Fix and, honestly, I have no complaints.
However, I am not playing with 8.6Blackout in a 16" barrel and it is a notably handier gun. Once Q releases the Pork Chop suppressor for it, the 16" barrel with a suppressor will be about 24". I can live with that.
However, with a suppressor, my 24" 308 barrel becomes a 32" barrel. On some hunts it will work fine, but that will be a little unwieldy.
I could, of course get a 16" barrel in 6.5CM or 6.5PRC, but velocities drop somewhat precipitously in shorter barrel with overbore cartridges.
I might get 2800fps with a 140gr bullet out of 6.5PRC, but if I am trying to find a ballistically superior solution for a sheep rifle, I have to be able to do better than that.
I might still build a 6.5PRC with an 18" or 20" tube or something along those lines, just to claw back some velocity. That is the logical thing to do and if I have an opportunity to go sheep hunting again, I'll pick one up. Besides, I happened to have a fairly compact and lightweight 6.5 suppressor (Q's Jumbo Shrimp) that is less than 6" long.
However, the introduction of 277Fury by Sig gave me a new hope. It fits normal short actions and SR-25 magazines. That's a big plus for me. Since 277 Fury in its hybrid case form runs at notably higher pressures, I can get essentially the same speed as 6.5PRC out of the same barrel lengths except with a slightly heavier bullet. Sig's 150gr hunting ammo reputedly does 2820fps out of a 16" barrel. I would like to see it get out into the wild, so that we can get an independent corroboration of the velocities. However, this being the new military cartridge, there has to be a pretty decent ecosystem coming up.
General disclaimer: while I think 277 Fury is an excellent idea for a hunting cartridge, I do think it is a stupid idea for general purpose military cartridge. As is usually the case, the brilliant thinkers at the Pentagon went with it because they are fighting last decades war. I'll be happy to do a livestream on that if you are interested.
Going back to my original point: I am getting spoiled with short and handy rifles, so I am looking at something with similar handling qualities for a sheep gun. 6.5CM does not do that for me. 6.5PRC barely does. 277Fury offers new hope. If I can get performance that I want out of a normal short action, we are off to the races.
Perhaps I'll pick up Sig Cross in 277Fury next year to experiment with. Or perhaps I'll be able to get an appropriate barrel for The Fix

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5x Prismatic Wrap-up

This is not the end of my commentary on 5x prismatics, but it is a wrap for an unintentionally very long term project I had. I spent an unhealthy amount of time evaluating these four prismatic riflescopes:
Element Immersive 5x30 https://alnk.to/gzXEPUr
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Primary Arms SLx 5x https://alnk.to/2jOhnT7

Two are large prism designs. Two are small prism designs.

The order in which I list them above corresponds to the image quality, from best to worst, although there isn't a ton of difference between SLx and Spitfire Gen2. Purely on the merits of resolution, Sabre is comparable to them as well, but much wider FOV and forgiving eyebox does put it a step above in terms of performance (at the expense of about a pound of weight). Element Immersive 5x30 is a different beast optically and it should be at a higher price at which it sells. It resolves better, has higher contrast and widest FOV of the bunch. Side-focus adds ...

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Blast From The Past: Millett ZoomDot RDS

I dug this thing up purely by accident. It has been a long time since I used it for anything, but I am thinking I should, especially as I work on a magnifier video.

MIllet's ZoomDot was a unique red dot sight that had auto brightness and variable dot size from 1MOA to 10MOA.

Early ones, like mine, were made in the US. Millett had some aspirations of selling these to the US military.

I do not think they got very far, then the company was bought by Bushnell and essentially shut down after a little bit. At some point, the manufacturing for the ZoomDot moved to China and it was not really the same.

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Scout Scopes: Burris 2.75x20

Scout scopes are almost like a forgotten art form these days. There is an occasional discussion either on how they are the greatest thing since sliced bread because 1) THE colonel said so 2) if you do not think they are, refer to rule number 1.
Alternatively, the prevailing thought is that they are completely useless and if LPVOs existed in Jeff Cooper's time, there would never be such a thing as scout scopes.
The truth, as is usually the case, resides somewhere in the middle.
Scout scopes do have their place, but they are definitely a niche product. It is, however, an interesting niche.
Scout scope pickings are relatively slim in terms of what's on offer.
Leupold makes a 1.5-4x28 https://alnk.to/gKSibYj
Burris makes a 2-7x32 and 2.75x20
Vortex has a 2-7x32 in the Crossfire line
There are also a few out there from UTG, Aimsports, etc.

I strongly lean toward compact fixed power designs, so Burris 2.75x20 https://alnk.to/cSJCBQx is probably my favourite and is the subject of this ...

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Independence Day, 2025

Publishing a "Happy Independence Day!" a day after independence day is probably bad form. It is also bad for posting affiliate links. Everybody and their grandmother is having discounts and I am not posting any links. To be honest, I do not particularly like posting general links and I simply did not have time to dig through everything and come with specific product links.
Still, if you plan to be buying something from one of the retailers I have an affiliate account with, I would appreciate it if you were to start with one of my links listed in the FAQ: https://darklordofoptics.locals.com/faq

I started writing the more substantive part of this post yesterday, but got sidetracked with thinking about the origin of the ideas that make America and ran out of time. I was only able to get back to it now. I suppose, better late than never.

We live in the world that, as far as the details go, is dramatically different from the world of the founders of the United States.

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Hi Ilya,

For many years I have been looking for a new spotting scope that has an FFP mil reticle for accurately calling corrections.  I have the angled version Kowa TSN-883 with 20-60 eyepiece that is great except it doesn’t have a reticle so the correction calls are not as precise or as fast as they could/should be. An ideal reticle would have a crosshair or L with a grid off of center but a simple crosshair, L or a tree would be sufficient.

I really like dual focus (can settle for single focus) that uses the small knobs that rotate very easily/smoothly so the scope can be focused on a v-bag while staying on target when it's impractical or a hassle to use a tripod. 

I also like an angled eye piece because it’s easier to establish a comfortable position in many situations as compared to straight eyepiece where you need to be directly behind the scope.  

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A morning with a chronograph

When I tell people that I am using Hornady's factory ammo for matches, I get occasionally surprised looks.  Occasionally.  Most of the time, I get fairly condescending looks from handloaders who would not let a factory round pollute the chambers of their precision rifles if their lives depended on it.

To be fair, if I had the time, I might be reloading as well.  I might be able to do better than modern factory ammo, but the truth is that I am not a quarter MOA shooter, so a lot of that would be lost on me.  The UKD matches I fidn most interesting can be done by a competent shooter with a 1MOA gun.  I am working on that first part.  I reload when I have to, but if I can get factory ammo that's not outrageously expensive and that shoots well, I will go with that every time.

I looked around and realized that I have about 600 rounds of Hornady 147gr 6.5CM factory ammo from two lots.  400 rounds from one that I will use during the match later this month.  The remainder I will likely use up practicing prior to that.

I woke up early and snuck out to the range while my family was still asleep earlier today.

I set up in the 100 yard tunnel we have.  I took my four shots to zero with the lot I plan to use for the match.  Then I fired a six shot ~0.7MOA group.  That's accurate enough for my purposes.

Here are the chronograph results:

It is slow, but accurate and consistent.

Then I shot a five round group of Hornady 147gr ammo from the other lot.

Both of those lots are not too shabby for factory ammo.  POI was within 0.2mrad between the two lots, all laterally.  

 

I had some other ammo on hand, so I fired two five shot groups with Berger 144gr hybrid target ammo and Sako TRG 136gr.

Here is what I got for five rounds of Berger:

That's not a ton of statistics, but it is a data point.  The group was ~1.1MOA

 

Here the data for the Sako TRG 136gr ammo:

This ammo showed some mild pressure signs, but not too significant.  

Again, this is not a ton of data, but Hornady is looking pretty decent here.

I'll repeat the zero retention and consistency tests a couple more times between now and June 18th when we head to Wyoming.

I might pick up a couple more boxes of Hornady 147gr from a different lot to get some more data.

More to come.

 

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First PRS Match is behind me
High Noon at Del Norte

My first PRS match is officially behind me.  It was, I think an officially sanctioned regional PRS match at the shooting range called Del Norte about an hour from me (just east of Rio Rancho).
As I discussed previously, rather than using the rifle I originally prepared for it, I ended up having to change gears at the last moment and slapping a 5-25x56 Tangent on my daughter's 6ARC MiniFIx.  A lightweight 16" Proof barreled 6ARC is not an ideal set up for PRS competition, but, in the grand scheme of things, the rifle did hot hold me back at all.  I had a couple of weights that fit the Q-cert handguard, so I slapped them on there as well, which got the rifle to right around 12lbs.  The balance point was almost where I want it, but not quite.  In all other ways, this was a very handy rifle to shoot.  I am actually thinking of getting a couple more weights that I can stack on it (Sawtooth weights are stackable), so that I can shoot some future local matches with it.  It shoots Hornady's Black 105gr ammo very well (it also shoots 108gr ELD-M and 103gr ELD-X well, but I had a larger supply of Hornady Black ammo on hand).

It chrono'ed pretty consistently for factory ammo.  Here are the measurements for a 20 shot group.

If I were to take out the fastest shot, SD drops down to 8fps.  

In terms of wind performance, it is a 5mph rifle, so slightly better than the 308 ammo I was going to use originally, but not as good as the 6.5CM that was my intended match rifle for this year (we make plans, but then life happens).

I do have to admit that I really enjoyed shooting the match with the MiniFix.  So much so, that I am seriously thinking of building another one for myself, since this rifle is technically my daughter's.

The closest shot we had was a bit over a couple of hundred yards.  The furthest was around 1150.  That was a bit challenging for the 16" barreled 6ARC, especially since the terrain there is tricky and wind is doing strange things.  Morning was relatively quiet wind-wise, but then the wind becamse gusty with changing directions.

It was a one day match with about 30 shooters (six squads) and ten stages.  The 17 year old kid who won the match was in my squad with his dad.  Apparently he is on the US team, so it should not be surrpising that he won.  He was very good.

Overall level of the shooters in the match was quite good.  I really was not sure what to expect.  Somewhat paradoxically, the only matches that I have shot in so far are the much larger two day NRL Hunter matches.  In those, I am just out of the bottom third in terms of skill level.  In this match, it was pretty much in the same spot, I think.  

The terrain was a little bit like Cameo, I think (I have been there, but not shot there), with some angle changes and sufficient vegetation to make getting on target occasionally troublesome. 

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Getting back on the horse, little by little

My original plan was to do a livestream on Thursday of this week, but I think I'll push it out to next week.  A few days at home is doing wonders for my recovery, but my voice is still not quite there.  I do not think any of you are looking to listen to me cough for two hours straight.

Also, I am going to try to shoot that local PRS match this coming Saturday, so doign a livestream next week after the match is likely to be more productive.  It is my first one, so I fully expect that I will screw it all up.  It should be a good learning experience.  I do not have a dedicated PRS rifle and I am not looking to set one up jsut yet.  If I like it, I'll put something together, but as far as competition goes, my focus is really on UKD matches like NRL Hunter, Competition Dynamics, etc.  My 6.5CM is not back yet, so I'll just shoot it with my 308 FIx.  It is not ideal, but it will do just fine for my purposes.  I am in no danger of winning anything either way and this will stress my ability to read wind.  A secondary purpse here is that I am not 100% certain what rifle I will take on a mule deer hunt with later this year, but it will be either something new to test or this 308.  Now that I think about it, the 308 is going with me regardless either as a primary rifle or as backup.  The rifle shoots, so if I miss, I know it is on me.

For the match, I have Burris XTR PS 5.5-30x56 scope on the 308 Fix.  I think the way they did the heads up display in these is a meaningful improvement over conventional riflescopes.

https://alnk.to/d3EjPHC or https://alnk.to/8iVRlGN

Optically, I think XTR Pro is a little better, but the EO integration in the XTR PS is, I think, in advantage.

In parallel, I am looking at the replacement AAC ammo (they replaced the faulty ammo and I have chrono results on it) and testing the optics of the 40mm scopes in parallel.

 

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