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Ideal Hunting Scope?
Is it even possible?
September 18, 2022

Fall is upon us.  That means hunting season.  That means I am setting up the rifles I will be using for the hunts I have planned for this season.  That means it is another good opportunity to think through the scope selection and to consider what would be an ideal option.

The moment anything starts with the word "ideal",  you immediately know it does not exist.  You also immediately know that there is going to be a lot of personal opinion in there.  There is really one thing we know for sure about opinions: they are kinda like assholes, in a sense that we all have them and they all stink.

Now, that having been said, I still think it merits discussion.  What I would like to do here is try to lay out the boundary conditions, so to speak, for a general purpose riflescope that would work well for everything.  It might not be absolutely perfect, but it would work well.

There is, of course, a big difference between well and well enough.  I am looking for "well", in this case.  "Well enough" is, quite frankly, not enough.

Also, this is one of those things where I am looking for input.  I have not hunted in Africa (maybe some day) or in Europe.  I suspect there are a lot of similarities in terms of hunting between North America and other places, but I am not even that experienced of a hunter in North America.  I will still pontificate on the subject a little bit.

Let's start off by thinking through some of the specific requirements for different types of hunting, in no particular order.  Naturally, this all assumes that the core fundamentals are there, i.e. the scope holds zero.

  • For the normald general purpose big game hunting in North America, you really do not need all that much.  Some mid-range magnification with 40-50mm objective is perfectly sufficient for legal hunting hours.  You do not want the scope to be too heavy.  You want decent low light performance. You want the reticle to be visible across the whole range of hunting conditions.  Traditionally, a good example of something like this is a SFP 3-9x42 or 2-10x42 scope like the Leupold VX-5HD That having been said, that niches seems to have been occupied evern more prominently by modern 3-15x42 or similar scopes like the Vortex Razor HD-LHT 
  • For the wooded areas, low magnification and wide FOV are important.  You might end up shooting at very close distances and doing so quickly.  Here, again, being able to pick up the reticle quickly against dark backgrounds is really important.  Looking into the shadows in heavily overgrown areas will demand a lot from the optical system.  Traditionally, this was a 2-7x35 or similar sized scope.  Old Kahles KXi was a really good example of that, but it has not been made for a long time.  I ahve a couple of Vortex Razor HD-LH 1.5-8x32 scopes, but they are also discontinued.   The classic 1.5-6x42 was always the low light option for this kind of stuff, but those are almost gone as well replaced by higher erector ration designs.  Delta Titanium HD 1.5-9x45 is a good option.  GPO makes 1.5-9x32 and 1.5-9x44.  Meopta has a really excellent 1.7-10x42 Meostar R2.
  • Western hunting (kinda like where I live) gets the distances and environmental conditions up into much more uncomfortable territory very quickly.   Everything mentioned above about low light performance and weight still applies, but now you have to have the means of trajectory and wind compensation either via the reticle or the turrets (or both).  A little more magnification can be helpful here.  Some of these situation border on long distance hunting since the mountaneous terrain can dictate a fairly long shot sometimes.  For me, 15x on the top end is plenty, but I do ahve to admit that the rifle I primarily use for this application wears Vortex Razor HD-LHT 4.5-22x50 on it.  This can be acomplished via either SFP or FFP designs by a competent shooter, but I am firmly in the FFP camp whenever we need to worry about distance and wind.  Larger scopes weigh more which really makes the Razor linked above stand out.  It keeps the weight very reasonable. 
  • Night hunting in the US means pigs, but internationally the restrictions are different.  There are a couple of approaches to night hunting: conventional riflescope with a large objective (like Meopta Meostar R1 3-12x50), dedicated thermal riflescope, thermal or night vision clip-on combined with a conventional riflescope.  For hunting purposes, I lean toward thermal clip-ons.  I've been talking about these a lot lately and the choice really depends on how much money you want to spend.  It really start at around $3k with Accufire Incendis and Burris BTC-50  Burris gives you a little more distance, but Accufire has the advantage of flexibility and longer battery life.  You can use it as either a clip-on or dedicated thermal scope.
  • Hunting large and dangerous animals.  In North America, it essentially means large bears.  For this, we are looking for something that gives us speed, i.e. good FOV and very visible reticle.   Often times, LPVO do this well, but they are not ideal in low light.  Still, for typical distances this is done that, a smaller objective is not a major problem.  Something that bottoms out at 1.5x with a a fast to acuire reticle should be good enough though.  An LPVO like Delta Stryker 1-6x24 is a good option.  A high quality 1.5-6x42 would be good if I could find one.  Previously mentioned 1.5x-to-something scopes might do the trick.

Can all of the above be covered with a single scope? Definitely not with any scope that currently exists.  If March were to make a FFP version of the 1.5-15x42 with a bright enough reticle illumination it would be the closest I can think of. 

If we take out the "large and dangerous game" category, we can get pretty close with some modern designs.  It won't be cheap though.  The closest to "do almost everything well" scopes is probably Tangent Theta TT315H 3-15x50.  15x on the top end is enough for most stuff.  3x on the low end is a little more than I like for use with clip-ons, but with TT's wide FOV, it is manageable.  The reticle is very nicely visible acros the magnification range.  For distance, you will most likely be dialing since it is not a tree reticle, but that's not an unreasonable compromise.  It is quite exceptional in low light all on its own and even better with a clip-on.  

The downside is that this scope is a little longer than I would ideally want for clip-on use and a little heavier at 13.5" and 27 ounces.  That is quite svelte by the standards of most FFP scopes out there, so I won't complain too much.

Tract's Toric 2.5-15x44 also gets close to my requierments and without the Tangent price tag, but it really needs reticle illumination on 2.5x.

I have the M version of the Tangent scope with Gen 2 XR reticle and after some consideration I decided to put that on my Fix in 8.6 Blackout.  I will likely be hunting with my two Fix rifles this season (and with a bow).  The 308 has a Vortex Razor HD-LHT 4.5-22x50 and the 8.6 has the TT315M 3-15x50.  At the moment I have a mule deer hunt, elk hunt, hog hunt and whitetail archery hunt planned for the remainder of the year, so we will see how it goes.

 

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This week was my kids' spring break, so we ended up going on a road trip of sorts.  We flew to Houston, rented a car, visited the Space Center, checked out Galveston, then drove up to Dallas.  My dayjob is in Dallas and I need to visit the office occasionally.  Truthfully, I need to visit the office more often than I currently do, but given my family situation that is a little tricky.

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I've known John for a few years.  He has visited with me about three years ago to talk about his their reticle idea and a few other things  

I think the reticle idea is sound and we should see a version of it in a scope soon enough.  I'll do a thorough coverage at that point.

This time around, the reticle was not the main reason behind my visit.  John is a creative guy and they do several interesting things there.  Everything they do is clever and outside the box.  For example, to the best of my knowledge, they were the first to come up with different ways to shift the POI for ELR shooting with their TARAC devices.  Alpha and Bravo TARAC devices use prisms to shift the zero of the optic, but a predetermined angle.  I have a flip-up Alpha TARAC set up to help with my subsonic ELR pursuits.  Bravo TARAC attaches the prism to the objective of the riflescope which works beter with large objective designs.  Since Tacom came up with it, the idea has been pirated by a couple of people, most prominently by Nightforce.  Technically, Tacom has a patent on it, but this appears to be a situation where a large company (Nightforce) shamelessly muscled a small company (TacomHQ) out of their IP, knowing fully well that they have more money for lawyers.  To be fair, John does not talk about it too much, so this is just a guess on my part (although I am sure I am going to get a nastygram from Nightforce lawyers for posting this.  They seem to really enjoy pushing small independent guys around).

Charlie Tarac uses a periscope instead of a prism to optically add slope for ELR shooting.  Delta Tarac does mostly the same things except it also offsets the line of sight laterally to avoid the mirage from the barrel.

The new thing with TARAC devices for this year seems to be an adjustable version of the Charlie.  There is a large side wheel that allows you to dial up to 900MOA of extra slope.

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Initially, my plan was to pick an appropriate action and have John make me a 300NM structured barrel for an ELR bolt action rifle.  I still want a 300NM and I might put one together eventually.  However, I never quite pulled the trigger on that for a few reasons.  One is that I simply have very limited use for such a gun.  I still want one, but I do not have easy access to a place wehre I can really stretch the legs of a caliber with that kind of capability.  The reason I wanted to put one together with a structured barrel is that they are are getting very good lifetime out of these and they are very easy to get to shoot properly.  

They have several version of the structured barrel design, but fundamentally they start with a 1.5" diameter barrel blank and mill out a bunch of material.  The most disinctive features are deep longitudinal cylindrical channels drilled parallel to the bore.  The start at the muzzle and go back toward the chamber.  They do not make it all the way to the chamber.  On the outer surface of the barrel, there are additional featuers designed for eliminating vibrational nodes and increasing surface area for better heat exchange.  There is quite a lot of technical informaiton on their website: https://tacomhq.com/structured-barrels/

Structured barrels look very beefy because they start out from large diameter blanks and they are decidedly not light-weight barrels.  However, by the standards of typical match barrels they are on the lighter side of things because of how much material has been removed.  Given their impressive vibration dampening advantages, a few months ago I shifted gears and started leaning toward putting together a large frame AR around Tacom's structured barrel.

With the precisely calculated mechancial structure, these barrels acomplish two very complicated things simultaneously: they are harmonically dead and they do not get hot.

During my visit, we shot two guns with structured barrels: a 6.5CM AR-10 and a 300NM bolt gun.

We did not do mag dumps or anything that silly.  However, after 10 rounds of rather rapidly fired 6.5CM, the barrel was warm, but not hot.  Temperature distribution was arguably the most remarkable part.  Using an infrared thermometer, it was easy to show that the warmest part of the barrel was around the middle (near the gas block on the semi-auto),  The breech end of the barrel was cooler to the touch and measure at a lower temperature.  Basically, the barrel never got very hot and whatever heat it accumulated was shed very rapidly.

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The 300NM boltgun was slightly heavier, but with the much more powerful round the recoil did move the reticle off of the target, but not by much. 

I never lost sight of the target during the reocil impulse and the feel was, again, very muted and controllable.  I am not sure how heavy the boltgun was, but definitely less than 20lbs.  I would guess it was around 17lbs, but I'll check with John.

While both guns were very impressive, the semi-auto shot unlike any other gas gun I have ever pulled the trigger on.  No gas gun ever has a truly free floated barrel, since there is a gas block attached to it.  However, the combination of the structured barrel with a unque way that John has of putting the upper together, is the closest I have seen to date.

He bonds the barrel extension to the upper receiver and then screws a shouldered barrel into that.  The upper receiver is the Aero M5E1 Enhanced since the beefy upper receiver extension helps decouple the handguard from the barrel.  Also, the rather beefy structured barrel needs a large diameter handguard which this is.  The gas block they make is a custom affair that is probably better described as "tunable" rather than adjustable.  It is not designed for making frequent adjustments.  The idea is to tune your gas system for perfromance and reliability, then leave it alone.  I plan to do exactly that.

Since I was heading this way, I brought the necessary pieces with me for John to put together a 6.5CM upper for me.   Originally, I was thinking of doing it in 6XC for local PRS matches, but now that I shot with it, I want to try using it for NRL Hunter as well.  I think I can make weight without too much trouble.  I'll stick with 6.5CM in order to make power factor for Hunter matches.

Saying that I was impressed would be a gross understatement.  The feel of this gun is absolutely unique and it has recoil control behavior of a 25lbs gun in a 14lbs package.  It is quite remarkable.  Now, in the grand scheme of things, with my nearly 300lbs bulk backing up the gun, recoil control is a relatively straightforward affair.  Since my kids were there with me, I had both of them shoot both guns and watched the recoil cycle very carefully.  The guns barely moved even with a much smaller human behind them.

I know it sounds like magic, but it isn't.  I am not a mechanical engineer, but I spent a good amounf of time going over the materials and thinking through what they are doing with these barrels.  The science behind it is pretty solid.  I am not seeing any obvious holes in their foundational reasoning.  The execution is difficult and the barrels are not cheap.  Aside from good ideas, it takes a lot of skill and know-how to make these.  There is a good chance I will make a permanent switch to these barrels on what I consider my "heavy" precision guns while sticking with the Fix as lighter guns they way they were originally intended to be.  When I say heavy, I mean sub-20lbs with everything and light is sub-13lbs with everything (scope, suppressor, bipod).

Before I wrap up, let's get back to the heat management argument for a moment.  The 300NM I shot was significantly accurate and it is at a bit over 2800 rounds.  That sounds outlandish given that is nearly triple of I would expect out of this caliber.  However, if the chamber never gets very hot, it is possible.  I really want to know how long the 6.5CM John is building for me will last.  I have high hopes.

 

 

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Here is an interesting question I got after the last livestream
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I got an interesting question via Youtube after the last livestream.  Here is it is verbatim:

"Ilya I hope you read the comments. I’ve got an optics question that I can’t seem to find an answer to. 
In reference to competition style scopes. Ones that seem geared towards PRS or other similar styles of shooting. Is there some good reason that the manufacturers constantly put out stuff with a low end mag that is basically unusable? Weight? Clarity? Something else?
I’m thinking of things like the K540i, Vortex 6-36, Tangent, Zco. I’ve never seen anyone shoot these scopes below 10x and most of their reticles are completely unreadable at low magnification. Why not start the low end at something like 10x or 12x and use a similar or lower zoom ratio? A 10-30 seems much more useful in PRS compared to a 5-25 since it’s my understanding that a lower zoom ratio is easier to make."

The biggest reason is simply marketing.  People who actually compete are a relatively small minority.  They do not really need low magnification.  Most people who spend money on scopes are looking at specs and a large magnification ratio is more marketable.  There are of course other practical reasons too.

When you design a riflescope, you are generally trying to hit multiple birds with one stone.

For example, if you want it to appeal to some potential military contracts, you need some sort of a viable low magnification to use with clip-ons.  Many of the clip-ons available to the military work pretty well on higher magnifications, but they generally want to have low pwoer in the 4x to 7x range.

As far as the reticle not being usable on low power, that is a consequence of making reticle very thin for use on high power.  This is also where military applications and civilian competition applications have different needs.  More military oriented reticles tend to be slightly thicker and I often prefer those.  

However, the simple truth is that reticle illumination pretty much solves that problem nicely since most low power use is in low or fading light.

The extended range features of a reticle (christmas tree, etc) seldom come into play in low light, so if the reticle simply has something like an illuminated cross, it works very well.

For what it is worth, even in daylight, I shoot my Tangents below 10x all the time, though not much belwo 10x.  In NRL Hunter matches, for example, since I am pretty new at this and have a hard time finding the plate, I figured out during my very first match that keeping my 7-35x Tangent on 9x, really helps me get behind the rifle quickly and get it stable quickly.  As I got a little better at getting into a proper shooting position efficiently, I bumped it up to about 12x.  When practicing, I routinely keep magnification low when shooting off of props.  When I am not pressed for time and shoot a bit further out, I'll bump up the magnification a little to have a better look at the mirage.  However, I virtually never shoot above 20x unless I am screwing around with some very small targets at close ranges (like the 1/4" hanger on the KYL rack) which is mostly done with rimfires and airguns.

Moving on.... a few years ago when I was chatting with a guy who designs riflescopes for a living, I asked him that the ideal magnification ratio is, where you have a good enough magnification range without any really significant optical compromises.  He said that it is right around 5x, i.e. 5-25x, 7-35x, etc.  When riflescope optical systems are designed, they are not all ground up designs.  For example, you can take a well worked out erector system and use it in a range of scopes.  LPVOs are a little different, but you can use more or less the same erector and eyepiece for several different designs: 2-12x, 3-18x, 4-24x, 5-30x can have very significant part commonality.  Noone is itching to design a standalone 3x erector just for the highest magnification scope because it just adds extra cost and might not offer any advantages beyond potentially slightly lighter scope and somewhat easier assembly/alignment.  

The idea of a competition dedicated high power riflescope that is 10-30x or something along those lines comes up every few years as does the concept of a dedicated 14x fully optimized for matches.  Every time, it fails the basic test of economics: how much will it cost to develop vs how many you might sell.

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First Look at The Ultimate Mountain Rifle

As many of you are likely aware, I am heading out to Montana for a mule deer hunt in a few days.  I will also have an additional cow elk tag, since I did not draw anythign in New Mexico.

My original plan was to borrow one of the MegaFix prototypes from Q.  However, all three properly fucntioning prototypes of the MEgaFix they have are in Africa taking down a broad range of animals.  The way I go hunting usually involves two rifles.  One primary, which is typcially something I am doing an article on and one backup which is something I know works in case I need it in a pinch.

My backup rifle is the OG Fix chambered for 308Win.  You have seen this gun many times over the years.  It was the subject of a dedicated video.  

I hunt with it and occasionally shoot NRL Hunter matches with it (shot two this year).  

As configured, it clocks in at a bit under 11lbs with the scope, https://alnk.to/af179CG, bipod, full length Arca rail from Sawtooth and LSP vertical grip.  I could make it a little lighter, but after some consideration, I decided to keep it in this configuration.  Eventually, I will upgrade it to Area 419 rings (I have been slowly switching to them almost across the board), but beyond that I plan to do absolutely nothing with it until I finally shoot the barrel out.  Ammo is a different ballgame and I am about to embark on an experiment with NAS3 cases, but that's a story for another day.

I still wanted somethign new to test, so I reched out to my Guns & Ammo editor to see if he has any ideas.  He usually does and this case was not the exception.  He connected me with a gentleman who owns a Canadian company called Alpine Riflecraft.  They are on a mission to make the world's best mountain hunting rifle and the Zenith is the product of their efforts.

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