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1000 yards for $1000?

There must be something magical about this number. People who are new to long range shooting ask about shooting at a 1000 yards and people who are new to how much long range shooting costs ask if they can do 1000 yards under $1000.
Youtube is full of videos that address this topic and I started getting some questions on the subject as well. I figured I should offer my two cents.
I am going to approach this a little bit differently than most people do. Usually everyone starts out with choosing a rifle and then works hard to squeeze everything else into the remaining budget. I will start out by ignoring the rifle. I am not terribly pre-occupied with squeezing into exactly $1000. I'll start by laying out a couple of options for everything but the rifle and then make some rifle recommendations. We will probably end up above $1k, but hopefully not by much.
My purpose here is really to lay out what I would do while trying to stay on a tight budget. Keep in mind that I went through this exercise more than once when I was just getting into this, so I speak from experience. This is sort of a "knowing what I know now" exercise.
General disclaimer: there are affiliate and non-affiliate inks below, as appropriate.
Naturally, let's start with optics.
There are two competing (sometimes complementary) schools of thought on long range shooting. Some prefer to dial everything. Some prefer to hold. Both approaches are viable and have their strengths and weaknesses. Finding a budget riflescope that has a long history of tracking correctly is not so simple. If you want to dial, this road leads us to SWFA Classic fixed power scopes with either 10x42 or 12x42 with Mil-Quad reticle being my recommendations. Either scope will cost you $300 if you can find one in stock. The idea, with either one of these, is to dial for elevation and hold for wind.
https://www.swfa.com/swfa-ss-10x42-tactical-30mm-riflescope-3.html
https://www.swfa.com/swfa-ss-12x42-tactical-30mm-riflescope-105770.html

If you prefer to not dial, you need something with a tree reticle that allows you to compensate for both drop and wind. In this case, tracking accuracy is not critical, but you want something that will stay zeroed and give you at least 10mrad of holdover in the reticle. This is not the time to chase after high magnification or something particularly feature rich. You want this scope to hold zero, and offer a decent FFP reticle. SwampFox Patriot 4-16x44 with Sharpshooter Mil reticle for $300 is a good example of such a scope:
https://bit.ly/3nD89vg
Another is the likely related Vortex Diamondback Tactical 4-16x44 with EBR-2C mrad reticle for $350: https://bit.ly/3biLzlK
Neither is going to get you to give up your S&B, but they have been around for a bit, generally hold up well and have very competent reticles.
Now, let's talk rings and bases. The cheapest way to get to 1k is with a bolt gun, so I am assuming a conventional bolt action rifle that will require a picatinny base and two rings. This is not where you want to skimp out. I have seen a ton of problems when people thought that a set of $20 pot metal rings is fine because some idiot at a gun show told them "it is all the same". It is not.
My general recommendation is to get a set of Burris XTR Signature rings of appropriate diameter and height, which, for the scopes above is probably going to 30mm and low or medium height for around $100.
https://bit.ly/3vVnR8G
The inserts in the Signature rings give you a lot of latitude in correcting some of the rifle machining issues and in dialing in appropriate slope.
If you would rather have something simpler and less expensive, I have been pleasantly surprised by the UTG Pro rings. They are made in the US and have been quite consistent: https://bit.ly/3jMIi2V
As far as the Picatinny rail goes, this sorta depends on which action it is for. For example for Tikka T3x, I think Area 419 (https://bit.ly/3nxHGPC) is a good budget option for $60. Generally, I have had good luck with EGW, Badger and several others. Go with the 15 or 20 MOA version.
That more or less completes the optics part and we have spent, depend on specific choices between $420 and $510. That's essentially half of the $1k target budget, so I think we will overshoot it by quite a bit.
Assuming you are planning to shoot either off the bench or prone, you will need both front and rear supports. Shooting prone off of a bipod is a valuable skill, so let's assume you need a bipod and a small rear bag of some sort.
There are many expensive and excellent bipods out there and we will ignore just about all of them. A top end triple pull Ckye bipod alone can cost you $1k, so it is well outside our scope here (although I plan to pick one up soon because I am basically a gun snob; https://bit.ly/3vUuurX). For the longest time, Harris bipod for around $100-$140 was the default choice and I would probably lean that way (https://bit.ly/3vSXv7c), but there is a bunch of various Harris clones out there marketed by Blackhawk, Caldwell, Champion, etc that cost less. Their QC is occasionally shaky, but given what we are looking to do here, one of the clones would probably work fine. For me, 9-13" height pivoting models seem to work best: https://bit.ly/2ZIK0v7
For a small rear bag that you can squeeze to make small POA adjustments, something like this Armageddon Gear $35 product will work well: https://bit.ly/31c7w4e
I mostly use a similar one from Eberlestock, but they work the same way.
We are now somewhere between $550 and $700 in and we have not even started with the rifle itself.
Let's first think about the caliber.
In principle, 308Win is the old standby, but I would lean toward 6.5Creedmoor or 243 Winchester. They shoot flatter and have less recoil. If you plan to also hunt with this gun, stick with the 6.5Creedmoor.
If you are on a budget, a dedicated heavy barrel precision rifle is likely not in the cards unless you find a really good deal on a used gun. Something that looks like a conventional hunting rifle might be your best bet, but given the rather thin barrels on these guns, make sure you wait long enough between shots for the barrel to cool down.
There are plenty of inexpensive rifles from Savage (Axis) and Ruger (American) and I have seen some really accurate ones and some really inaccurate ones. For consistency, I lean toward Tikkas, though finding a new one for less than around $700 is kinda rough, but they exist: https://bit.ly/3pN2wNv
I would probably try to find a used CTR or a new one in an unpopular caliber if you are a reloader: https://bit.ly/3jLRWmh
If you take your time, there are deals out there. A while back, when going through this exact exercise, I managed to pick up a Tikka 695 in 280Rem for $500. I configured it at first with a 10x SWFA scope in a manner very similar to what I described above. It cost me right around $1k overall. 280Rem is never really looked at as anything but a hunting caliber, but I loaded it up with 150gr SMKs because I wanted to do some target shooting. The rifle turned out to be stupid accurate (I still have it, but I restocked it since) and that 150gr load made 1000 yards not that challenging unless the wind was doing something weird. I did spend a lot of time practicing though.
What did we learn through this whole exercise?
Once you have the rifle, setting it up with the right optics, etc will cost you at least $500. If you really want to squeeze under $1k, you need a sub-$500 rifle that is accurate enough. They do exist, but you may need to have patience and look for deals. Make sure the stock allows the barrel to be truly free floated.
Lastly, what is accurate enough? Let's assume you are looking to hit an 18" plate at 1000 yards. If you rifle prints 1MOA groups, that means that the remaining margin for you is ~0.5MOA or ~0.15mrad. That is by how much you can misread wind and mishandle the rifle and still hit that 18" plate.
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Vortex Defender XL Green

This is the second time Vortex' Defender XL crosses my path. I was very impressed with the original red dot version, so I was curious to see how the one with the green dot works for my eyes.
To get the details, see the attached video.
The cliff's notes version is that I am just as impressed with this one. In terms of collimation quality and parallax control, it is quite exceptional.
https://alnk.to/881BEV1

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Primary Arms HTX-1 US Made red dot sight

I've had this RDS for a bit over two months now and I am beyond pleased with it.
Despite some spirited abuse, it keeps soldiering on.
https://alnk.to/1C9z5dw
It is a very nice RDS and being fully made in the US does not hurt either.

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Delta Stryker 3.5-21x44 Wrap-up

This scope comes up a lot since I really like the configuration. It is time to do a final wrap-up of it.

It is one of my favourite scopes on the market today, especially for the money, since I naturally lean toward general purpose-ish designs. Still, while the 3.5-21x44 Stryker is relatively compact and light, it still clearly leans toward the precision side of things, which suites me very well.

https://annexdefense.com/optics-and-optic-accessories/delta-optics/

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I was a bit confused at the beginning but this is a new Model looking at the turret compare to old LH2-10x40,
Any news on this ?
https://www.amazon.com/Vortex-Optics-Razor-Second-Riflescopes/dp/B0FBMNTW52?th=1

Updates, deals and new review items: PLxC RDB, Zeiss Tripod, etc

As the week is coming to an end, I find myself in an unusual place: home.

I plan to be home between now and September 1st when I have to go to Israel for ten days, returning on the 11th (dayjob stuff).

For the last couple of months, between family vacations, work and a couple of matches, it seems like I only spent enough time at home to check zero on my 6.5CM Fix and head out again (it has not shifted, thank you Area 419 mount).

I have a lot to do during the next two weeks, but I will try to take some pictures, film some footage and release it as I go along. I can edit videos on the plane or in Israel just about as well as I can at home.

While generally, I am very picky about what I accept for review (given my bandwidth limitations), I do have a few new things here worth talking about.

One is Primary Arms new PLxC RDB 1-8x24 LPVO. It is essentially a version of the original FFP PLxC LPVO except with different reticle illumination technology. The new model utilizes diffractive reticle illumination (same style ...

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Steiner C35 Gen2 Mount
from Annex Defense

The production version of the Annex Defense's mount for the Steiner C35 Gen2 thermal Clip-on is finally here.  At $1600 (when this is published), the clip-on is an absolute steal.

I've had it for a few days, but, me being the good old paranoid me, I spent some time shooting with it before posting anything.  I had a couple of days with it prior to last weekend's match in Montana and a couple of days after.  Another to pop it on and off a few times and get a couple of hundred rounds of 6.5Grendel through the gun to see if anything shakes loose.  So far so good.

The C35 Gen2 clip-on is sitting on my 6.5Grendel AR as a part of a long running "Only One" project that I have.  It pairs perfectly with the Steiner H6Xi 2-12x42 scope.

Here is what comes in the box from Annex Defense:

The order in which the whole thing comes togethe is pretty stragihtforward:

-slide the thermal washer onto the threaded interface extending out of the back of the clip-on

-spin the mount itself onto the threaded interface (the mount is threaded on the inside) until it can go no further

-rotate the mount so that the clip-on is properly lined up to the picatinny clamp

-once you are happy with the alignment, use the three nylon tipped set screws (you'll need an allen wrench for that) to lock in the position of the clip-on in the mount.  You need very little torque on the set screws.  They are there for one reason and one reason only: to keep the mount from spinning when you tighten the timing nut in the next step

-spin the timing nut onto the threaded interface of the clip-on to lock the mount in place.  You should not need the timing nut wrench, but one is in there just in case.

Here are the pieces laid out in the order in which you will need them.

When you are done, it should look like this:

Note that the mount normaly comes with two T20 screws.  I am using two thumbscrews instead, since I am popping the mount on and off all the time.  It seems to be staying put with the thumbscrews just fine.  I am hoping Annex will offer the thumbscrews as an option.

It is not quite an equivalent of a QD mount, but we needed something with an extremely low profile clamp to fit under scopes with fairly large objectives.  As is, the mount works with most scope that have objective lens diameter of 50mm or less.

I am using with with Steiner H6Xi 2-12x42 and the two work together exceedingly well.

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Scoping Gas Guns
an interesting question that acme in via PM

I received this question via a private message and thought it was interesting enough to answer it in some detail.  I have been thinking a lot about appropriate optics for gas guns recently, so this came it at the right time.

 

Here is what I ahve been messing with last few days:

 

Above: 18" WOA barrel 5.56 AR-15 with Burris XTR PS 5.5-30x56 on it.

Below: 22" Satern barrel 224Valkyrie AR-15 with Delta Stryker 3.5-21x44 on it.


For obvious reasons, I am not posting who asked the question, but what I'll do is send him a link to this article, so that he gets an answer and we might have a good discussion.
Here is what I received:

Had a question for you
I have a Knights Armament SR25 6.5CM with a 14.5" barrel - I plan on shooting 100 - 600 yards at targets at 100 yd intervals
I am favoring the TT 315P with an Aimpont Acro mounted on top -( see you liked the TT315M) - would that be enough magnification?
I saw the SB SB 5-20 which offer more top end - I like the turrets on the Tanget and tooless Zero - what are your thoughts between the 2?
If I stayed 400 and under - how do you see the TT315P with the Acro Red dot against the SB 1-8 Short Dot (saw your review on that)

There isn't really enough information in the question for a simple answer, so let's consider a couple of options.

What is the gun for? 

For shooting medium range (out to 600) with occasional close range use?  If yes, go with a conventional scope and offset or piggybacked RDS.

For shooting at close distance with occasional med/long range use? If yes, so with a nice LPVO like the above mentioned S&B Short Dot 1-8x24 https://alnk.to/3J8vlFv.  It is quite capable at long range, but where it will really knock your socks off is up close and personal.

The question of what is enough magnification is pretty personal.  For me, 3-15x is plenty, but I shoot a lot off of the tripod and off of barricades which likely influences my decision.  For that, my 3-15x50 TT315M Tangent works great and 6mrad of elevation is plenty.  https://alnk.to/gVNkUXB  175gr #08 out of a shoter tube will drop in the 5 to 5.5mrad range at 600 yards.

For a dedicated long range semi-auto, other than the looks, there isn't much downside to a larger scope, which is why I set up Burris' XTR PS on the 5.56 AR pictured above.  It is for my son to learn to shoot at distance and to us in next year's BOTC match.  https://alnk.to/gp33YuR

If I were setting up an accurate semi-auto and wanted a high mag scope for it, I would likely lean toward March 4.5-28x52. https://alnk.to/dLjHgjh  It is compact, relatively light and very good optically for any use other than the dead of the night (for which we should be using clip-ons anyway).

S&B Short Dot is a very nice scope, but March is a newer design and, other than the lowest light, has an edge in terms of image fidelity and stray light control.

TT315P Tangent is a veyr ncie scope and toolles turrets are appealing.  However, there is a weight penalty to that.  For me, that was not worth it.  I ahve 5-25x56 and 7-35x Tangents and those toolless turrets are spectacular.  However, in a 3-15x50, I am quit ecomfortable with simpler 6mrad per turn knobs on the TT315M.

 

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A morning with a chronograph

When I tell people that I am using Hornady's factory ammo for matches, I get occasionally surprised looks.  Occasionally.  Most of the time, I get fairly condescending looks from handloaders who would not let a factory round pollute the chambers of their precision rifles if their lives depended on it.

To be fair, if I had the time, I might be reloading as well.  I might be able to do better than modern factory ammo, but the truth is that I am not a quarter MOA shooter, so a lot of that would be lost on me.  The UKD matches I fidn most interesting can be done by a competent shooter with a 1MOA gun.  I am working on that first part.  I reload when I have to, but if I can get factory ammo that's not outrageously expensive and that shoots well, I will go with that every time.

I looked around and realized that I have about 600 rounds of Hornady 147gr 6.5CM factory ammo from two lots.  400 rounds from one that I will use during the match later this month.  The remainder I will likely use up practicing prior to that.

I woke up early and snuck out to the range while my family was still asleep earlier today.

I set up in the 100 yard tunnel we have.  I took my four shots to zero with the lot I plan to use for the match.  Then I fired a six shot ~0.7MOA group.  That's accurate enough for my purposes.

Here are the chronograph results:

It is slow, but accurate and consistent.

Then I shot a five round group of Hornady 147gr ammo from the other lot.

Both of those lots are not too shabby for factory ammo.  POI was within 0.2mrad between the two lots, all laterally.  

 

I had some other ammo on hand, so I fired two five shot groups with Berger 144gr hybrid target ammo and Sako TRG 136gr.

Here is what I got for five rounds of Berger:

That's not a ton of statistics, but it is a data point.  The group was ~1.1MOA

 

Here the data for the Sako TRG 136gr ammo:

This ammo showed some mild pressure signs, but not too significant.  

Again, this is not a ton of data, but Hornady is looking pretty decent here.

I'll repeat the zero retention and consistency tests a couple more times between now and June 18th when we head to Wyoming.

I might pick up a couple more boxes of Hornady 147gr from a different lot to get some more data.

More to come.

 

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