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Gas Gun Optics

One of the side effects of going to a family Bar Mitzva out of town is that you unexpectedly end up with a few moments of peace and quiet.
It takes me roughly five minutes to put on a suit and pretend to be a civilized human being (and four minutes of that is practicing a marginally humane facial expression).
My various family members take a little more time to get ready. If I were at home, there would be a million things to do. Since we are out of town, I have a few minutes to kill. I'll be wrapping this up in the airport somewhere I am sure.
A brief perusal of the usual online forums suggests that there are new posters out there significantly confused about the subject of scoping gas guns.
 

Naturally, a lot depends on what you plan to do with the gun.

The type of a gas gun (or really any gun) you choose flows out of what you plan to do with it.

The type of an optic you choose also depends on what you plan to do with the gun.

The type of a gun you choose DOES NOT DIRECTLY DICTATE THE CHOICE OF AN OPTIC.

They are not unrelated, but one is usually not a direct consequence of the other. The gun is obviously a consideration. For example, if I happen to have a firearms with a very sort handguard, that limits certain options. Still aside from aesthetics, fundamentally, the application drives the choice of the gun and of the optic.

If you want to go fast with it (clear buildings, etc), put a non-magnifying optic on it. I have a Mepro MOR Pro https://alnk.to/eONlVIo on mine. Before that, it has Vortex UH-1 on it. https://alnk.to/dWdz1Eh Both are full-size optics because I am not trying to keep the weight to a minimum. In terms of getting on target quickly, I think holographics to have a slight edge, but MOR Pro has a couple of additional lasers built-in that are valuable for me.

If your astigmatism makes red dots and holographics unusable, there are several excellent 1x prismatics out there https://alnk.to/cwTvnEj

If you are looking to set up a general purpose relatively accurate AR carbine, get an LPVO. This is the scenario where you do not know what you are setting up for, so you need a true generalist. There are many good options out there. I tend to go with relatively light options, so I am rather anxiously awaiting the arrival of the very compact SAI10.
Until then, here are the LPVOs I use. Most of the LPVOs I use on my guns happen to be FFP:
SAI6 1-6x24 https://alnk.to/fwsnRID
PA PLxC 1-8x24 https://alnk.to/8tQ4D66
Vortex Razor Gen3 1-10x24 https://alnk.to/5jmqYqF
Delta Stryker 1-10x28 https://annexdefense.com/optics-and-optic-accessories/delta-optics/

Primary Arms offers their PLxC 1-8x24 with both FFP and SFP reticles. Both are quite good, but up to now, the way the SFP reticle with a bright fiber dot came together was pretty special. FFP version is quite good, mind you, and they have a new one with a nuclear bright diffractive dot that I look forward to testing.

SAI6 is a somewhat unassuming design that works better in real life than you would think it should based on paper specs. That's why I have three of them. My favourite version is the one with mrad tree and high visibility features.

Razor Gen3 with a nuclear bright reticle illumination is truly fast on 1x and I can take it quite far out on higher mags. If you want a 1-10x that is nearly as fast as a red dot on 1x, it is very hard to beat.

Delta Stryker 1-10x28 is more of a DMR scope with side focus and slightly larger objective. It is very capable across the board, but not quite as fast on 1x as the Razor.

They all have their place and they all work. I also have March Shorty 1-8x24 that has been living on my MiniFix pistol in 300Blk. I might migrate it to my 458SOCOM. It has been superceded by the excellent March 1-10x24 Shorty with its dual focal plane reticle and side focus. It is also a truly excellent general purpose scope, but I do not have one on hand and I figured in this case I should talk about the things I do have here. Delta Stryker 1-10x28, while not quite as nice as the March overall is very good and serves as a DMR oriented LPVO for my purposes.

All of the LPVOs I personally use are still over $1k. If you want to be under, get a prismatic with an offset red dot. There is a broad range of prismatics out there and I have talked about them extensively. If you are looking at it as an LPVO alternative, I am partial to the Element 5x30 https://alnk.to/eONlWUi 
In terms of image quality, it will give anything this side of $1200 a run for its money while offering a 30deg AFOV. 
If you pair it with a well-made but inexpensive enclosed red dot like the Gideon Mediator https://alnk.to/hswIIn5 you are pretty nicely set. That is the setup I have on my FoldAR that I use when travelling for different carbine classes. If an offset RDS is your primary 1x optic, you need to practice with it, but it is relatively intuitive.

Next step up the scope size ladder is with MPVOs. Everyone defines them a bit differently and quite a few complain that all of these classifications are an exercise in mental masturbation. On one hand, they do have a point. On the other hand, I like to be able to separate all these options into directly comparable classes. It makes my life as a reviewer a lot simpler.

If you do not have a hard requirement for 1x, but also do not need particularly high magnification, you get an MPVO. That's a scope with 2.5x or less on the low end, objective of 44mm or less and, preferably a FFP Reticle. I also want to see these be of a relatively compact size since they have to work well behind a clip-on. Upper end magnification is not super critical since most of the use will be on 10x or less. You will only dial up (if it goes higher) on rare occasions when you get to shoot prone in good light.

March 1.5-15x42 is probably the purest expression of this idea and I have one. It is a truly flexible design in terms of what you can do with it. https://alnk.to/bEjIhWk

Leupold Mark4HD 2.5-10x42 is excellent and I am making good use of it as well. https://alnk.to/4qME4vC

SWFA SS HD 3-9x42 is the OG of this category. https://swfa.com/collections/swfa-ss/products/swfa-3-9x42-ss-hd-mil-quad-reticle-30mm-tube-1-mil-clicks-ffp

The new Mark 5HD 2-10x30 with CMR-Mil reticle is extremely promising, but it is not here yet. Same for the Steiner H6Xi 2-12x42 with STR Mil reticle.  The MPVO category is, thankfully growing because, as revolutionary as LPVOs were when they came about, not as many people need 1x as they think.

 

If on a budget and need an MPVO, Swampfox Warhawk 2-10x44 is quite competent, but a little heavy for the category.  Athlon Helos BTR Gen2 2-12x42 is pretty much the standard barrier for a budget MPVO.

 

Personally, I would want to see more compact options with a 36mm objective and there are some coming.

March is as full featured as it gets. If you truly want to do everything with one scope, this is as close as you are going to get for now. 

Leupold Mark 4HD is a lot less expensive and a lot simpler. There is also a lot less to adjust and it is easier to set up and use. There is something to be said about that. It could use an abbreviated tree reticle of some sort, but even the aging illuminated TMR in mine works well enough. This is also an excellent straightforward hunting scope.

With scopes like these, an offset red dot gives you 1x, albeit with some re-training. Still, one of these scopes is what you setup if close quarter stuff is not in the plans.

Moving up from there are the Crossover designs (various 3-18x50, 3-15x50, 4.5-22x50, etc scopes). That's what you put on a gas gun you want to use when you need to shoot far, but still want to carry this thing around here and there.

I like this scope category and have quite a few of these in varying price ranges.  Some are on accurate semi-autos and some are on bolt guns).
GPO 4-16x50 ultra short (currently tested on a 16" barrel and nicely accurate 6.5 Grendel AR-15)

Burris XTR3i 3.3-18x50 (off the gun for some side-by-side comparisons, but will likely end up on a 22-250 Tikka T3x) https://alnk.to/hDrtPpr
Telson Toxin 3-18x50 (no host gun yet, but an accurate 5.56 AR-15 built around an 18" WOA barrel is the likeliest candidate)
Vortex Razor HD-LHT 4.5-22x50 (currently on a 6.5PRC boltgun set-up for factory NRL Hunter competition) https://alnk.to/gVMrU9R
Leupold Mark 4HD 4.5-18x52 (it has been on a bunch of different guns; not sure what will be the final destination) https://alnk.to/7qlwW73

Delta Stryker 3.5-21x44 (found a home on a 22" 224Valkyrie gas gun for now; technically, this gun can carry a larger optic and it might) https://annexdefense.com/optics-and-optic-accessories/delta-optics/
Tangent Theta TT315M 3-15x50 (spent most of its career with me on an accurate 6.5Grendel, but is currently on a M28-76 Mosin) https://alnk.to/4XwVcHA

There are probably others in the safe I am not thinking of at the moment and there will be a few of the new ones added to the stable later this year. 

 If you've got an accurate small frame AR with a 16" to 20" accurate barrel and you like stretching the range of your gas gun, one of these is your best option.  I happen to like relatively light weight accurate ARs, so with any of the scopes above, I can have a nicely accurate 1000yard capable gas gun that clocks in under 10lbs with a bipod).  I really should continue with the whole "Guns of the Dark Lord" series, now that I think about it.  With the advent of new and exceptionally well-made "small large frame" guns, this category is really alive and well.  

 On up from there are the 5-25x56, 4.5-30x56, 7-35x56, etc full size precision scopes.  That's what you put on an accurate semi-auto that you do not plan to lug around much or at all.

 The latter is not my favourite category.  I have one like this.  It is a large frame AR-10 type gun built around a heavy Dracos 243Win barrel that was an old experiment.  It is around 13lbs before optics.  I am currently using it to finish testing Delta Javelin 4.5-30x56.  I am not carrying it this thing anywhere unless there is a real probability that I will need to club someone with this thing.  Then, it is awesome.  The original idea behind that gun was to make a semi-auto long range varminter, so it is a 1-9" twist barrel and I have no intention of walking far with it.  I also have no intention of building anything along these lines again.  If I want a heavy precision gun, it will be a bolt action.

 

To cap it all off: figure out what you want to do, then set up a gun and optic for it.  Given how many options we have, there is no need to overthink it.  If you want to go fast, get a red dot or similar.  If you want shoot far from within 50 yards of the truck, get full size 56mm precision scope.  If you want hike around and shoot far, get a crossover 50mm design.  If it is a dedicated DMR type, an MPVO with a red dot is your best bet.  If you have no idea what this is for, get the nicest LPVO you can afford.

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Revic Acura RS525i 5-25x50 RH2 Reticle

Here is a look through the Acura 5-25x50 scope from Revic. https://alnk.to/gp27CYM
The reticle they have in there is what is probably the best general purpose hunting reticle on the market today and the scope itself is rather nice.
It is a bit heavier than I'd like and it is in MOA. Beyond that, I am having a hard time finding something to complain about.
Now that I think about it, the one other reticle that is conceptually similar to the RH2 is Burris' 3PW-MOA in their 2.5-12x42 Veracity PH scope. That scope is normally about $1100, but EO has it for $799 at the moment for some reason https://alnk.to/h6H9yhT
That smallest of the Veracity PH scopes is another design that should be much better known than it is.
Same goes for the Revic Acura. While Revic's smart scope is well known, the more conventional Acura barely gets any mention. That's unfortunate. It is a truly excellent design.

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Looking at Telson's PH2 Reticle

Telson is a new optics company out of Canada. I've talked about them a bit in the past. It is one of the several companies I occasionally provide input to, mostly when it comes to reticles.
The way the reticle design process went with Telson, was a little different that what I normally do. I did not just hand them over a reticle drawing. These guys are shooters and I wanted to try a more collaborative process. One of the principles at Telson, Jared, would do an iteration and send it to me. I'd go over it in some detail, mark it up and send it back to him. Then, we would get on a video conference call and hash it out.
Lather, rinse, repeat.
In the grand scheme of things, these are not my reticles. These are Telson's reticles, with me being the sounding board and providing some pointed advice.
So far, I rather like how it turned out.
I have one of their first production scopes in my hands. It has not yet been on a gun, which I will rectify shortly. I have, however, been looking ...

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Q ERECT9R Suppressor

There are widespread reports of arson and looting coming out of the California Fires. There is even a theory out there that all of these fires are started by various chilean and venezuelam gangs, so that people would evacuate and leave their houses easy prey for looters. National Guard is already deployed to deal with that, but as we all know, the only way to discourage looters and other criminals is for law abiding citizens to be empowered to defend themselves, their families and their homes.
That made me think of suppressors. They are very much illegal in California, but they are a wonderful addition to our home defense guns.
The only handgun suppressor I own (so far) is the 9mm Erect9r from Q, which is the subject of this video.
https://alnk.to/2FCTrpa
Most of my use has been on a 9mm Glock handgun, but I did run it for a while on a subsonic 8.6BLK. Erect9r is not rated for supersonic rifle ammo, but it worked very well with subsonic 8.6 using this adapter ...

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Gas Gun Optics

One of the side effects of going to a family Bar Mitzva out of town is that you unexpectedly end up with a few moments of peace and quiet.
It takes me roughly five minutes to put on a suit and pretend to be a civilized human being (and four minutes of that is practicing a marginally humane facial expression).
My various family members take a little more time to get ready. If I were at home, there would be a million things to do. Since we are out of town, I have a few minutes to kill. I'll be wrapping this up in the airport somewhere I am sure.
A brief perusal of the usual online forums suggests that there are new posters out there significantly confused about the subject of scoping gas guns.
 

Naturally, a lot depends on what you plan to do with the gun.

The type of a gas gun (or really any gun) you choose flows out of what you plan to do with it.

The type of an optic you choose also depends on what you plan to do with the gun.

The type of a gun you choose DOES NOT DIRECTLY DICTATE THE CHOICE OF AN OPTIC.

They are not unrelated, but one is usually not a direct ...

Gas Gun Optics

One of the side effects of going to a family Bar Mitzva out of town is that you unexpectedly end up with a few moments of peace and quiet.
It takes me roughly five minutes to put on a suit and pretend to be a civilized human being (and four minutes of that is practicing a marginally humane facial expression).
My various family members take a little more time to get ready. If I were at home, there would be a million things to do. Since we are out of town, I have a few minutes to kill. I'll be wrapping this up in the airport somewhere I am sure.
A brief perusal of the usual online forums suggests that there are new posters out there significantly confused about the subject of scoping gas guns.
 

Naturally, a lot depends on what you plan to do with the gun.

The type of a gas gun (or really any gun) you choose flows out of what you plan to do with it.

The type of an optic you choose also depends on what you plan to do with the gun.

The type of a gun you choose DOES NOT DIRECTLY DICTATE THE CHOICE OF AN OPTIC.

They are not unrelated, but one is usually not a direct ...

Gas Gun Optics

One of the side effects of going to a family Bar Mitzva out of town is that you unexpectedly end up with a few moments of peace and quiet.
It takes me roughly five minutes to put on a suit and pretend to be a civilized human being (and four minutes of that is practicing a marginally humane facial expression).
My various family members take a little more time to get ready. If I were at home, there would be a million things to do. Since we are out of town, I have a few minutes to kill. I'll be wrapping this up in the airport somewhere I am sure.
A brief perusal of the usual online forums suggests that there are new posters out there significantly confused about the subject of scoping gas guns.
 

Naturally, a lot depends on what you plan to do with the gun.

The type of a gas gun (or really any gun) you choose flows out of what you plan to do with it.

The type of an optic you choose also depends on what you plan to do with the gun.

The type of a gun you choose DOES NOT DIRECTLY DICTATE THE CHOICE OF AN OPTIC.

They are not unrelated, but one is usually not a direct ...

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The Copper Creek Cartridge Experience
back to the reloading bench I go...

Like any self respecting firearm enthusiast I always have some number of projects going on concurrently.  One of them is a fast twist 22-250 bolt gun.  

Every once in a while Tikka makes a run of 22-250 T3x rifles with 1-8” twist barrel and I happen to have one.  That dramatically changes the varminty character of the 22-250. With a modern 80gr bullet, it is a nicely viable hunting rifle for small and medium game (just about perfect for pronghorn).  It is also a very capable long range number.  At the altitude where I live, it does not go subsonic until you get to about 1400 yards.

1-8” twist will not stabilize the heaviest available 22 bullets, but works well enough for anything up to about 80grains, depending on the bullet construction.

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Thinking About Open Light and Factory
NRL Hunter

Since my ultimate goal with competition is to shoot NRL Hunter matches in an Open Light class (to more closely resemble the rifles I actually hunt with), I set up my 308Win Fix and 6.5PRC Stag Pursuit for Open Light and Factory respectively.
I have a lot more 308Win ammo than 6.5CM anyway, so that is the rifle I prefer to practice with.

Now that I have a little time before the next Hunter match, I decided to see if I can properly control the muzzle rise with the lighter rifles.  To that extent, I went and sighted them in before proceeding with shooting at various plates mostly between 500 and 600 yards to see if I can control the  muzzle well enough to spot my misses.

The wind was pretty sporting and inconsistent today.  On top of that, I decided to use the lightweight pint-sized gamechanger bag to add to the challenge.  While we were at it, I also tested the new tripod plate from Sunway photo.  I generally like it, but it needs to be a bit wider for shooting purposes.  It is great for holding binos and a wind meter.

Here is how the bag fits on it:

Not bad, but a little more width would help.  The tripod is Field Optics Research's Dome Top Hunter 32.

The 308 Fix is a known quantity since I have talked about it quite a lot in the past.  In this iteration, I have it set up with Tangent Theta 5-25x56 in an Aadmount. 

The muzzle device is Q's Bottle Rocket on top of a Cherry Bomb.  

The bipod is Gunwerks' Elevate.

Rather amazingly, the balance on this thing is just right as is.

However, I must have made a miscalculation somewhere because I thought this would weigh just a hair below 12lbs.  It weighed in at exactly 11lbs and based on the Arizona match, my scales measure a little higher than the ones they used over there (about 5 ounce difference for my 6.5CM gun).

Despite that, I had no real issues controlling the muzzle rise with this setup.  I was able to comfortably spot my shots and see trace as long as I was properly square behind the rifle.  Interestingly, at this weight, it is something I might actually hunt with, but a lighter scope might not be a bad idea.

This also means that I have enough weight budget to use Q's Trash Panda suppressor instead of the Bottle Rocket brake.  While the brake is not obnoxiously loud, I do prefer to run with a suppressor when possible, so I will try that next.  

With the 6.5PRC, I know for a fact that without a decent brake, I could not spot my own shots, so I have Area 419's titanium Hellfire brake on it.  This was my first time shooting with it.

It was substantially loud, but not as obnoxious as some competition brakes I have seen.  More importantly, muzzle rise was minimal at most.  I doubled up on the hearing protection, but the rifle became impressively more mild mannered.  Again, shooting standing off of a tripod in the wind, I had not problem at all spotting my own shots and watching trace when shooting a bit further out.

The rifle is Stag Pursuit in 6.5PRC

The scope is Vortex Razor HD-LHT 4.5-22x50 in Talley MSR rings (the lightest 30mm rings I had on hand).

The bipod is Gunwerks' Elevate.

As shown, the rifle clocked in at 11.7lbs on my scales.  I am inclined to not mess with it too much, but if it comes to that, I can mount a somewhat heavier scope without too much trouble, but I am inclined to let it be.

I did a good number of dry presses and live fire with both rifles.  One thing that surprised me a little was that the Fix had a smaller wobble zone than the Pursuit.  I think I can attribute that to the balance point on the Fix being a little further forward, but some experimentation is in order.

I was definitely shooting better with the Fix, despite the Pursuit being chmabered for a much flatter cartridge.  Perhaps, a heavier bipod will shift the balance point sufficiently.

That is one of the advantages of the Fix design: the buttstock, while sturdy and comfortable, is so light that it is very easy to balance.  Pursuit's beefy buttstock while comfortable, could use some weight cutting.  If I want to ever use this rifle for NRL Hunter's Factory division, I can not make any mods, so I'll do with what I have.  If my arithmetic is correct, I could probably get a lightweight Ckye-pod to shift the weight a little forward.

With all that, I am not sure how I feel about trying to game this too much.  For now, I'll just shoot the rifle as is and see if I can train my way out of this wobble zone issue with some deliberate practice.

I have to admit that Area 419's muzzle brake is pretty impressive.  The rifle is now extremely soft shooting and the muzzle stays down.

The next step for the 6.5PRC is to either buy or work-up some proper match ammo.  All I have is Hornady's 143gr ELD-X which shoots pretty well in this gun, but isn't match ammo.

Hornady loads their 147gr ELDM in 6.5PRC, so that is probably the first option to try.  Looking at the costs, this might be one of the few calibers I have to reload for.

If I were to go compete with a sub-12lbs rifle today, I think I would still take the 308 Fix despite all the ballistic disadvantages.  It is probably just the familiarity factor, but I simply shoot that rifle better.  In the future... we'll see how it goes.

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Trident Barrel
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At this point, I do not remember any more how I stumbled on this barrel, but it is not unusual for me to be looking for relatively random things while I can't sleep at night.
Then again, given how much time I spend at the range, looking at different AR barrels is not all that random.
My take on AR-15s is that they are supposed to be lightweight and accurate enough to reach to the outer limits of the capability envelope of whatever they happened to be chambered for.  I know they are plenty of people out there with freakishly accurate AR-15s that are set up with thick barrel.  They are impressively consistent, but a heavy AR-15 sorta defeats the purpose of an AR-15 to me.
Then again, I do have a couple of moderately heavy small frame AR variants.  One is built around an 18" 223Wylde WOA barrel and the other around a 22" Satern 224 Valkyrie barrel.  I'll talk about those builds in due time and I enjoy shooting both of those rifles quite a bit.  However, I view them as practice rifles since 5.56 and 224V are nice practice rounds for longer range stuff and it is easier to balance heavy barrel rifles for shooting off bags.
Most of my ARs are a lot lighter than that and they are built around 16" barrels of moderate weight.
Ideally, I want this rifle to weigh no more than 8lbs with a scope, typically an LPVO of some sort.  This is the type of rifle I expect to be equally comfortable doing timed short range drills and shooting plates between 600 and 800 yards (with appropriate ammo).
Over the years, you have seen pictures of several of these variants.  One of my favourites is built around a 16" Proof Research carbon fiber barrel.  That's the AR in this video:


I have another one built around an experimental 16" barrel that is sleeved in AlSiC, a rather exotic material.  That way of making barrels did not go into production, unfortunately.  It is not the most intrinsically accurate barrel I have, but it is very well behaved when hot.
Naturally, I also have a couple that simply have thin, near-pencil profiles.
The basic problem with most of the light weight barrels I have seen to date, is what happens when the barrel heats up.  Most barrels end up with substantially larger groups when hot, which is OK.  However, quite a few of them end up with the group centroid also changing, sometimes significantly, which is not OK.
That is an especially commo problem with carbon fiber wrapped barrels.  Christensen barrels are famous for their wandering zero.  Proof Research barrels seem to be better and the two I have do not wander around when warmed up.  However, it appears that some do.  With carbon fiber wrapped barrels I tested, Proof was the best, but it has been a little while since I experimented with it.  More recently, I have heard from others that Helix6 and Bartlein barrels are more consistent, but heavier. 

Most lightweight barrels designed for light weight have an odd (to me) profile with too much metal removed by the chamber.  Some years ago, Adams Arms had their own pencil profile barrel that left a lot more metal near the chamber, then went thing quickly.  The way Q does their light weight barrel is also done with heat distribution in mind.  Their barrel leave a lot of metal near the chamber, then run what is essentially a straight taper.

All this barrel research is probably how I stumbled onto the Trident Barrel from X2 Devgroup https://x2devgroup.com/trident-barrel/

It has very deep flutes which dramatically cuts weight.  It is about five ounces lighter than my carbon fiber Proof barrel of the same length.  Fluting can often cause problems when not properly stress relieved, but it seemed like they were paying attention to this kind of stuff and taking care to not introduce stress.  After digging through my memory banks a little, I remembered that a know someone at that company.  It was time to pick his brain.  He is a pretty serious shooter, and he was happy with these barrels.  Then he said something that made me perk up and pay attention.  He talked about vibration and how these barrels felt "dead".  That is a lot of the same verbiage I hear about structured barrels from TacomHQ.  Once my interest was properly peaked, I looked around, relaized I have enough spare parts to build an upper and that I have a built up AR-15 lower that is not attached to anything.

Once the barrel got here, I gave it a careful look.  In terms of the quality and consistency of the machining, it looked very good.  Those are some seriously deep flutes though.

The barrel, somewhat unusually, is dimpled for both of the gasblock screws and in a way that will work with the majority of gas blocks out there.

I had an Aero upper and an Aero handguard of relatively ghastly color, that probably explains why it was heavily discounted.  Since I fully expect it to be scratched up and covered by dust before too long, I could not care less.

I plan to run it with and without a suppressor, so I added Q's Cherry Bomb compensator to it.  As this is written, I have not fired it yet, but will shotly.  After some consideration, I decided to mount March's excellent 1.5-15x42 MPVO on it. https://alnk.to/b7zh0YQ  That is still the purest expresssion of the MPVO concept on the market today, so I thought it was appropriate.  Depending on how it performs, March may or may not stay on there permanently.  However, for initial break in, long range practice and accuracy evaluation, it knocks the socks off of any and every LPVO ever made.

Most AR-15s are reasonably broken in somewhere between 200 and 500 rounds, so I am not going to stress about accuracy too much in the beginning.  I'll get it sighted in, do some positional shooting and keep an eye on whether there is any abnormal behavious.

The rifle ended up weighing a bit under 6lbs without optics and a bit under 8lbs with March 1.5-15x42 in Burris XTR Signature rings. https://alnk.to/4MBZHCL The suppressor will push it a hair over 8lbs, but that's close enough.  With the bipod as pictured it just under 9lbs.  The bipod is not going to be on there permanently.  If I have to choose between a suppressor and a bipod for weight reasons, Jumbo Shrimp it is  https://alnk.to/880ol8Y

Eventually, I will likely switch to a lighter LPVO on this gun since I prefer the March on a hunting rifle, but in the meantime, configuration-wise, it is a near perfect SPR.

The nice thing about all these AR variants is how easy they are to accessorize, but all those extra gadgets do add weight.  For example, if I throw Steiner's excellent C35 v2 clip-on on there, it is another pound. https://alnk.to/8iV9jU9

An offset red dot sight will not add much weight, but it still adds a little.  Same goes for the light/laser (I think I have an extra CMR-301 https://alnk.to/880olc5 somewhere here that I can use.  It is not super fancy, but it works).

Before it is all said and done, if I keep everything on there, I will end up with am 11.5 to 12 lbs gun.  It sounds like a lot and it is.  However, if I did not start with a sub-6lbs gun before everything that I plan to latch onto it, we'd be talking about a 15lbs setup.  That's why I want a truly accurate sub-6lbs AR-15 and that is why I am always on this "holy grail" barrel search.

Stay tuned for the updates as I test this thing.

 

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