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A bit more on scope mounts
and why there is no free lunch
September 07, 2024

Looking at different mounts is sort of an ongoing thing for me.

There is no perfection in this world, but some get close.  I have been pretty open that I am quite impressed with the Area 419 mounts, for example, and I now have two of them, one 34mm and one 36mm that my Tangent 7-35x56 lives in.  Over time, I expect to have more of them.  They work well and seem to ahve the fewest compromises of all of the single piece mounts I have tried to date.

That having been said, I do not plan to stop my continuous overview of different mount designs.  One that keeps on popping up is the M-Brace mount by American Rifle Company.  I have one and in my use it has worked rather nicely.  However, I live in what qualifies as a fair weather state.

Also, I was looking into LRF mounts and the LRF bridge on the M-Brace is very nicely done.

Last time I talked about these mounts, I mentioned that I am not a fan of hinges.  To me, it is a solution looking for a problem.  Also, I heard of several people having issues with the mounts cracking around the hinges when it got really cold.  That sorta made sense to me and re-inforced my suspicions about hinges, especially since the single screw in the ARC design is tightened to a fairly signifiant torque setting.  The reason people like these mounts is that it is a single screw design.  However, there is no free lunch.  Something somewhere is going to be stressed.

Up until recently, I have only heard of ARC mounts/rings cracking in the cold second hand.  I had it on my list to do some experimentation, but now it looks like I do not have to.  A friend of mine lives in a colder state than I do and he sent me a few pictures where two of his M-Brace mounts developed cracks around the hinges.  He is an avid competitor and he spent quite a lot of time in horrid winter blizzards trying to shoot a match or two last winter.  He looked at two of the M-Brace mounts he has and sent me these pictures.  Now, this is not hearsay.  This is directly from someone I know who is a serious shooter and has good attention to detail.  I have high confidence that he did not screw anything up when mounting the scopes.

Now, does that mean that M-Brace mounts are a no go and all that?  Absolutely not. 

These are very good mounts, but if you spend a significant amount of time in temperature extremes, this is something to consider.  Also, there is a LOT of these out there and I have only been able to dig up a few occasions when this happened with only two being from someone I actually know.  This is clearly very uncommon.  By comparison, I have seen FAR more issues with Spuhr mounts.  So many more that I lost count.  We are talking an order of magnitude or two.  With the M-Brace, it is likely a combination of extreme weather conditions and a tolerance stack up where the mounts were on the tighter side of things and then went through multiple extreme temperature sycles. 

While I dislike the hinges, what I really like about the M-Brace mount is the accessory mounting method.  That serrated itnerface is robust.  The way the LRF bridge mounts is likely among the sturdiest in the industry and has the least likelihood of transferrign any shock to the scope body.  If I were looking to set up a weapon mounted LRF on something with serious kick, the M-Brace would definitely be in the running.

What I do not like is that I can not remove the scope from the mount without removing the bridge.  Then again, that's mostly a problem for people like me who mount and re-mount optics all the time.

Once the LRF bridge is on there, two of the accessory mounting points are occupied.  There are two on the bridge itself, but they are less useful for me since they are a little higher up.  I would normally want a level on there, but I can't see it because of the side focus turret. 

Beyond that, my only real complaint with the M-Brace mount is that it is relatively heavy.  Then again, once you are dealing with a three pound precision scope and a pound-plus LRF, four extra ounces of aluminum in the mount is not really a major issue.

Ultimately, we choose gear based on the application and accept compromises where appropriate.  Everything has some sort of a compromise to it.  WIth the M-Brace, it appears to be the same thing that makes it stand out from other mount designs out there: the hinge.

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It is not quite an equivalent of a QD mount, but we needed something with an extremely low profile clamp to fit under scopes with fairly large objectives.  As is, the mount works with most scope that have objective lens diameter of 50mm or less.

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Scoping Gas Guns
an interesting question that acme in via PM

I received this question via a private message and thought it was interesting enough to answer it in some detail.  I have been thinking a lot about appropriate optics for gas guns recently, so this came it at the right time.

 

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I have a Knights Armament SR25 6.5CM with a 14.5" barrel - I plan on shooting 100 - 600 yards at targets at 100 yd intervals
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If I stayed 400 and under - how do you see the TT315P with the Acro Red dot against the SB 1-8 Short Dot (saw your review on that)

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For shooting medium range (out to 600) with occasional close range use?  If yes, go with a conventional scope and offset or piggybacked RDS.

For shooting at close distance with occasional med/long range use? If yes, so with a nice LPVO like the above mentioned S&B Short Dot 1-8x24 https://alnk.to/3J8vlFv.  It is quite capable at long range, but where it will really knock your socks off is up close and personal.

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If I were setting up an accurate semi-auto and wanted a high mag scope for it, I would likely lean toward March 4.5-28x52. https://alnk.to/dLjHgjh  It is compact, relatively light and very good optically for any use other than the dead of the night (for which we should be using clip-ons anyway).

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TT315P Tangent is a veyr ncie scope and toolles turrets are appealing.  However, there is a weight penalty to that.  For me, that was not worth it.  I ahve 5-25x56 and 7-35x Tangents and those toolless turrets are spectacular.  However, in a 3-15x50, I am quit ecomfortable with simpler 6mrad per turn knobs on the TT315M.

 

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More to come.

 

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