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LRF Binocular vs Separate Binocular and LRF

This comes up a lot.
Is it better to have a binocular with integrated LRF or a standalone LRF and standalone binoculars?
Both approaches work just fine, unless you are super picky about configurations.
Until relatively recently, if you wanted an integrated LRF, my advice was to spend some serious money on a high end model from Leica/Swaro/Zeiss with my eyes slightly preferring Leica, but all three are really good.
Leica's Geovid Pro is the latest and really excellent. Now that I went and looked, the previous generation, Geovid 3200.com is discounted to just a bit over $2k. https://bit.ly/48iAXik If I were in the market today, I'd pick one up while they still have them. It won't last.
There are quite a few lower priced models out there from other companies and many have really excellent LRFs, but to me they sacrifice too much of the binocular function. Integrating the LRF takes a bit to much toll on the imaging performance of the binocular.
For my purposes, excellent binocular performance is critical, and since I can't afford to drop $3k-$4k on the latest and greatest, I mostly use separate binos and LRFs. In my case Kowa 6.5x32 binoculars, Vortex Razor UHD 10x50 binocular, Vortex Razor 4000GB LRF and Vortex Impact 4000 LRF. That gives me the means to pick out the kit appropriate for the terrain and the task at hand.
Also, I often use the standalone LRF as a monocular when going for a hike, so this approach works well for me.
I've used quite a few others as well. Sig LRFs are excellent, but there is too much of an optical compromise. I had the same take on Fury 5000.
I use what I use partly because of the ballistic integration.
In recent years, a couple of less expensive LRF equipped binoculars crossed my path. They are surprisingly good optically. They do not have quite the same level of EO integration, i.e. they will not give you a full ballistic solution, but they will give you a distance and accomodate for the inclination. For most uses, that's enough.
If you are just starting out or if you are simply this is your best way to go.
Delta Titanium RF 9x45 is a better configuration for me https://annexdefense.com/delta-lrf-binoculars-delta-t-9x45-hd-rf-bino-rangefinder-do-2720/
I like the 5mm exit pupil and 9x is a touch steadier to my eye than 10x.
Meopta Optika LR 10x42 is another. https://bit.ly/3TpHJyj
One caution with Meopta is that since the company has been sold to Carlyle, I have no clue what is happening with sporting optics. They are not showing any signs of closing shops, but I am always paranoid about company buyouts.
I suspect that the Delta and the Meopta are made by the same OEM. There are probably others form the same OEM with a similar performance out there as well (Burris Signature HD 10x42 looks like one https://bit.ly/4716STp), but I have not tested them. I can only talk about the performance of the Delta and Meopta.
The one other worth mentioning is the Leica Geovid R product line. I think are repackaged older Geovid designs. They were very good for their time and for the $1400 or so that Leica wants, they are quite good for the money. https://bit.ly/46UIoLj
If you spend a lot of time hunting or shooting alone and you are trying to figure out what to get, I'd lean toward a binocular with an integrated LRF.
That means less stuff to remember to take with you (I forgot to take my LRF when I went to Wyoming two weeks ago) and know there isn't nearly as much performance compromise.

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DNT "The One" 7-35x56. A careful first look

DNT's 7-35x56 has been here since February and I have managed to have some reasonably significant amount of time with it to date. This video is mostly in the nature of a "first look", although a bit more extensive than that. I will follow up with a careful examination of the reticle and low light performance.
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So far, I am quite impressed with what the scope offers for the money.
Talking to one of the owners, he said he wants to be the undisputed bang for the buck champ under $1k. It is too early to be sure, but he might have a point there.
So far, I am quite impressed with the optic for what it costs and everything I have heard about customer support has been good.
The scope I have did have a minor glitch with the focus cell (I talk about that in the video), but it seems to have worked itself out. Perhaps there was some sort of a minor machining mark somewhere in there that got polished out.
Beyond that, it has been a good scope for me. I tried it on a ...

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Delta Javelin 4.5-30x56

Here is another scope that has been here entirely too long without a formal review.
Delta Javelin 4.5-30x56, along with Athlon Ares ETR 4.5-30x56, stands at the top of the ladder of Chinese-made precision scopes I have seen to date.
To be fair, there are some new ones that are popping up that I have not tested yet (like the Telson 5-25x56) and some excellent ones that are less expensive (like DNT 7-35x56). Still, of the ones I have had a chance to spend some serious time with, it is Javelin and Ares ETR. Athlon has a Gen2 of the ETR that was announced this year, that I am very curious to test against the Javelin. Compared to the Gen1 ETR, I thought they were extremely close optically, but I slightly preferred the turrets and the reticle in the Javelin. We'll see if Athlon's Gen2 will change that.
I talk about Delta a good bit, but the brand is still not very widespread in the US. Still, there are several people selling them including Don at @AnnexDefense . Since he is a member here, I...

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Leica Geovid Pro AB+ 10x42 Wrap-up

As I was getting this final video ready, I could not help but think that I have been talking about this LRF bino incessantly since December when I first got my hands on it.
https://alnk.to/eONAsar
I was very impressed with it when it arrived and I am very impressed with it now. I thought it was worthwhile to do a video wrap-up, see if any questions come up (i.e. something I forgot to address) and cover all the unintended omissions in an article.
Leica is, occasionally, a mystifying company in terms of their market strategy, but there is never any doubt about their technical capability. They can and do make absolutely exceptional optical instruments. There is new leadership in Leica's US office and I walked away from a meeting with them very encouraged. They seem to be listening to the market and have some good things in store.
In the meantime. as I said in the video, as far as LRF binoculars go, this is the best image quality I have seen to date combined with a very consistent LRF. ...

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Airborne Javelin

I am at a conference in Huntsville. They’ve got a Javeline on a drone.
That’s the coolest thing I’ve seen here yet.

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Odd things you find if you are looking...

My kids managed to bring a virus of some sort from school, so it is now my turn to be down with it. It is nothing major (just a nasty head cold), but that means I can not exercise and do a bunch of other things I normally do on weekends with the family.
In an attempt to be productive, I pulled up some previously recorded videos to see what I can edit into something publishable.
One such thing is a review of Delta Javelin 4.5-30x56. I've had this scope for quite a long time and it has been on rotation between a bunch of different guns. At the moment, it is sitting on my 308Fix (until the Tangent comes back from repair), so it is a good opportunity to wrap up with it.
I happened to like the Javelin a good bit and it is easily one of my favourite precision scopes in the ~$1k range and Annex Defense has it for around $1050. https://annexdefense.com/delta-javelin-4-5-30x56-rifle-scope-ffp-smr-1-do-2470/

While putting together a spec comparison table for this review, I went to look up the ...

Telson is at it again.

Telson is running another pre-order event this weekend. It is not as generous as the earlier one, but is still significant if you missed the one before.

This time around. everything on the website is 20% off and you can stack my DLO6 discount code on top of that to get a total of a 26% discount.

It is today and tomorrow only.

https://www.telsonoptics.com/?coupon_code=dlo6

Deep into the 40s
42-44mm Riflescopes

I have about 13 months left to be in my 40s, so I figured this is my last opportunity to get cheeky with this project title.

As I mentioned during last week's livestream, I am kicking off a large review encompassing seven different riflescopes that really share only one thing in common: their objectives are in the 42-44mm range.

Here is a comparison table of the specs for the scopes I have on hand.  Note that the Swampfox Warhawk 2-10x44 is not going to be in this comparison very much.  I'll do a separate video on it.  The biggest reason for that is simply that this spec table is becoming too long and comparing so many scopes all at the same time is exponentially more difficult.  I was going to take out either the Warhawk or the Blackhound since neither of them have a zero stop, so I flipped a coin and Blackhound got to stay.  I will go over it a little bit below the table.

I did not set out to have this particular line-up in mind, but I like this riflescope type, so I ended up with all of these on hand.  

Some of these scopes I have lready reviewed quite thoroughly, namely the Blackhound and Tract.

If you look at the specs carefully, you'll see that these range from true ultrashort designs (GPO and March), to "kinda short" designs (Leapers, Delta, Leupold and Blackhound) to a conventionally sized Tract Toric.  Some of these lean toward the MPVO category.  Some are unabashedly aimed at the Crossover market.  Tract stands alone as a relatively conventional hunting scope, except configured very nicely to do everything as necessary.  Another scope that would fit this category very well also that is no longer here is Vortex Strike Eagle 3-18x44.  I might reference it occasionally.

I have a good amount of mileage with all of these, although I have not yet released a final review on every design.  Still, I can offer some initial thoughts in order of ascending price.

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The Copper Creek Cartridge Experience
back to the reloading bench I go...

Like any self respecting firearm enthusiast I always have some number of projects going on concurrently.  One of them is a fast twist 22-250 bolt gun.  

Every once in a while Tikka makes a run of 22-250 T3x rifles with 1-8” twist barrel and I happen to have one.  That dramatically changes the varminty character of the 22-250. With a modern 80gr bullet, it is a nicely viable hunting rifle for small and medium game (just about perfect for pronghorn).  It is also a very capable long range number.  At the altitude where I live, it does not go subsonic until you get to about 1400 yards.

1-8” twist will not stabilize the heaviest available 22 bullets, but works well enough for anything up to about 80grains, depending on the bullet construction.

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Thinking About Open Light and Factory
NRL Hunter

Since my ultimate goal with competition is to shoot NRL Hunter matches in an Open Light class (to more closely resemble the rifles I actually hunt with), I set up my 308Win Fix and 6.5PRC Stag Pursuit for Open Light and Factory respectively.
I have a lot more 308Win ammo than 6.5CM anyway, so that is the rifle I prefer to practice with.

Now that I have a little time before the next Hunter match, I decided to see if I can properly control the muzzle rise with the lighter rifles.  To that extent, I went and sighted them in before proceeding with shooting at various plates mostly between 500 and 600 yards to see if I can control the  muzzle well enough to spot my misses.

The wind was pretty sporting and inconsistent today.  On top of that, I decided to use the lightweight pint-sized gamechanger bag to add to the challenge.  While we were at it, I also tested the new tripod plate from Sunway photo.  I generally like it, but it needs to be a bit wider for shooting purposes.  It is great for holding binos and a wind meter.

Here is how the bag fits on it:

Not bad, but a little more width would help.  The tripod is Field Optics Research's Dome Top Hunter 32.

The 308 Fix is a known quantity since I have talked about it quite a lot in the past.  In this iteration, I have it set up with Tangent Theta 5-25x56 in an Aadmount. 

The muzzle device is Q's Bottle Rocket on top of a Cherry Bomb.  

The bipod is Gunwerks' Elevate.

Rather amazingly, the balance on this thing is just right as is.

However, I must have made a miscalculation somewhere because I thought this would weigh just a hair below 12lbs.  It weighed in at exactly 11lbs and based on the Arizona match, my scales measure a little higher than the ones they used over there (about 5 ounce difference for my 6.5CM gun).

Despite that, I had no real issues controlling the muzzle rise with this setup.  I was able to comfortably spot my shots and see trace as long as I was properly square behind the rifle.  Interestingly, at this weight, it is something I might actually hunt with, but a lighter scope might not be a bad idea.

This also means that I have enough weight budget to use Q's Trash Panda suppressor instead of the Bottle Rocket brake.  While the brake is not obnoxiously loud, I do prefer to run with a suppressor when possible, so I will try that next.  

With the 6.5PRC, I know for a fact that without a decent brake, I could not spot my own shots, so I have Area 419's titanium Hellfire brake on it.  This was my first time shooting with it.

It was substantially loud, but not as obnoxious as some competition brakes I have seen.  More importantly, muzzle rise was minimal at most.  I doubled up on the hearing protection, but the rifle became impressively more mild mannered.  Again, shooting standing off of a tripod in the wind, I had not problem at all spotting my own shots and watching trace when shooting a bit further out.

The rifle is Stag Pursuit in 6.5PRC

The scope is Vortex Razor HD-LHT 4.5-22x50 in Talley MSR rings (the lightest 30mm rings I had on hand).

The bipod is Gunwerks' Elevate.

As shown, the rifle clocked in at 11.7lbs on my scales.  I am inclined to not mess with it too much, but if it comes to that, I can mount a somewhat heavier scope without too much trouble, but I am inclined to let it be.

I did a good number of dry presses and live fire with both rifles.  One thing that surprised me a little was that the Fix had a smaller wobble zone than the Pursuit.  I think I can attribute that to the balance point on the Fix being a little further forward, but some experimentation is in order.

I was definitely shooting better with the Fix, despite the Pursuit being chmabered for a much flatter cartridge.  Perhaps, a heavier bipod will shift the balance point sufficiently.

That is one of the advantages of the Fix design: the buttstock, while sturdy and comfortable, is so light that it is very easy to balance.  Pursuit's beefy buttstock while comfortable, could use some weight cutting.  If I want to ever use this rifle for NRL Hunter's Factory division, I can not make any mods, so I'll do with what I have.  If my arithmetic is correct, I could probably get a lightweight Ckye-pod to shift the weight a little forward.

With all that, I am not sure how I feel about trying to game this too much.  For now, I'll just shoot the rifle as is and see if I can train my way out of this wobble zone issue with some deliberate practice.

I have to admit that Area 419's muzzle brake is pretty impressive.  The rifle is now extremely soft shooting and the muzzle stays down.

The next step for the 6.5PRC is to either buy or work-up some proper match ammo.  All I have is Hornady's 143gr ELD-X which shoots pretty well in this gun, but isn't match ammo.

Hornady loads their 147gr ELDM in 6.5PRC, so that is probably the first option to try.  Looking at the costs, this might be one of the few calibers I have to reload for.

If I were to go compete with a sub-12lbs rifle today, I think I would still take the 308 Fix despite all the ballistic disadvantages.  It is probably just the familiarity factor, but I simply shoot that rifle better.  In the future... we'll see how it goes.

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