DarkLordOfOptics
Politics • Science & Tech • Sports
If I could have only one... riflescope?
season kick-off
December 08, 2023

As we get to the end of the year, I go into my "if I could have only one" mode, where I reflect back on what I saw during the year and see if my previous year's selections changed.
I usually set up different scenarios, from "everything is banned and you have to adjust" to "my wife figured out how much my guns cost and I have to get rid of everything and keep just one" to "I love my kids more than my guns and since they need to go to college, I am on a budget"
I'll go into the firearms choices at a later point in future installments.
Given that I am the self-appointed Dark Lord of Optics, rather than of barrels and triggers, let's touch on the scopes.


There are are some new entrants here anyway.  These are the designs I have losely dfined as "crossover": reasonable magnification range and light enough to put on a hunting rifle in a pinch.  3-15x or similar is a good magnification range here.  I want these scopes to have zero stop and reticle illumination for low light use.

 

Starting with a "my wife does not know how to get into my safe" scenario...

For quite a few years now, my choice for a "money no object" general purpose precision/hunting scope has been Tangent Theta TT315M and that has not changed.  This scope essentially defined this category and is still the best optimized option overall.  https://bit.ly/41dz6c8 A slightly thicker reticle for low power use would be nice, but aside from that, I have no complaints.

Honorable mention goes to the new March 1.5-15x42.  An updated version of it with an improved reticle is enroute to me at the moment.  I suspect it will be the premier allround choice if you also use clip-ons.  It is going to settle on my Fix in 8.6 Blackout as soon as it gets here.  A true general purpose scope for a true general purpose rifle. https://bit.ly/48bftUC

In the mid-range ("I like nice stuff, but want to stay married" scenario), there are a couple of good options depending on what is important to you.  If you want light weight, Vortex Razor HD-LHT 4.5-22x50 is still it https://bit.ly/41uPd5v and EuroOptic still has a 15% off discount on these.

Both Tangent and Razor are really intended for centerfire calibers, so they do not have a ton of adjustment.  You do not need all that much adjustment to cover the supersonic range of 308Win or 6.5CM.   

If you want to do a bit everything including subsonics and rimfire and do not want to pay for the March, the new Delta Stryker 3.5-21x44 stays within the general crossover size envelope while offering 45mrad of elevation adjustment for around $1600 https://annexdefense.com/delta-stryker-hd-3-5-21x44-rifle-scope/  This is arguably the most full featured scope of the crossover type available at the moment south of $2900 that still squeezes under 30 ounces.

Moving further down into the price range, let's call this scenario: "I want my kids to go to college and they not qualify for a scholarship"

This used to be pretty much where Vortex PST Gen2 3-15x44 https://bit.ly/489K8kZ lived alone and barely contested.  However, now we have the illuminated version of the Tract 2.5-15x44 that is quite good https://tractoptics.com/riflescopes/toric-uhd-30mm-2-5-15x44-ffp-illuminated-mrad-mrad-hunting-rifle-scope for similar money.  Vortex has notably wider FOV.  Tract has more adjustment range and all the turrets lock up.  Pick your poison.  Vortex reticle is more precision oriented.  Tract leans more toward the hunting side of things, but both cross over nicely.

Burris XTR3i 3.3-18x50 is a touch more money than Tract and PST Gen2, but less than Razor and Stryker.  Performance-wise, it is definitely in this conversation and the weight clocks in right around 30 ounces (similar to the Tract).  https://bit.ly/3XVF8Ld  35mrad of elevation adjustment range make it viable for lots of applications.

Going further down in price, you start losing some features, so you either have to put up with weird illumination schemes, strange reticle ideas, lack of zero stop, etc.   That's probably worth a separate discussion.  SWFA used to have a couple models squarely in this price range, but while they are getting revamped, the field is sorta open.  There are some solid choices there like Element Titan 3-18x50 and Primary Arms GLx 3-18x44, but both have reticle-related quirks I find annoying.  If you have to drop down in price a little, I'd steer you toward Vortex Strike Eagle 3-18x44.  It also has a reticle illumination scheme I am not big on, but it is less objectionable here due to the reticle design https://bit.ly/3tOI03l

Going further down in price than the Strike Eagle, you start giving up on more features: no zero stop on SwampFox Warhawk or no reticle illumination on Element Helix, for example.  Once you get into this budget level, shopping used will let you retain features without sarificing quality.  If you mostly hold with the reticle, SwampFox Recce Mil reticle in the 3-15x50 Warhawk might be up your alley https://bit.ly/46UENgi 

 

community logo
Join the DarkLordOfOptics Community
To read more articles like this, sign up and join my community today
9
What else you may like…
Videos
Posts
Articles
Blast From The Past: Millett ZoomDot RDS

I dug this thing up purely by accident. It has been a long time since I used it for anything, but I am thinking I should, especially as I work on a magnifier video.

MIllet's ZoomDot was a unique red dot sight that had auto brightness and variable dot size from 1MOA to 10MOA.

Early ones, like mine, were made in the US. Millett had some aspirations of selling these to the US military.

I do not think they got very far, then the company was bought by Bushnell and essentially shut down after a little bit. At some point, the manufacturing for the ZoomDot moved to China and it was not really the same.

00:05:44
Scout Scopes: Burris 2.75x20

Scout scopes are almost like a forgotten art form these days. There is an occasional discussion either on how they are the greatest thing since sliced bread because 1) THE colonel said so 2) if you do not think they are, refer to rule number 1.
Alternatively, the prevailing thought is that they are completely useless and if LPVOs existed in Jeff Cooper's time, there would never be such a thing as scout scopes.
The truth, as is usually the case, resides somewhere in the middle.
Scout scopes do have their place, but they are definitely a niche product. It is, however, an interesting niche.
Scout scope pickings are relatively slim in terms of what's on offer.
Leupold makes a 1.5-4x28 https://alnk.to/gKSibYj
Burris makes a 2-7x32 and 2.75x20
Vortex has a 2-7x32 in the Crossfire line
There are also a few out there from UTG, Aimsports, etc.

I strongly lean toward compact fixed power designs, so Burris 2.75x20 https://alnk.to/cSJCBQx is probably my favourite and is the subject of this ...

00:11:58
Integrix M1 MRAD Reticle in the 3-18x44

Wind was really making things difficult, but at least this gives you a look at the reticle.
It is a respectable design that is conceptually closer to SKMR reticles than to the ones I usually gravitate to. They also have an M2 that is, I think, a little better.
In the grand scheme of things, the M1 did not take me long to get used to and it is not giving me any real issues.
https://alnk.to/9TaI2kH

00:06:33
Current Events

Gentlemen,
I am trying to decide if I want to do a livestream to discuss the current events in the Middle East.
Every time I do that that, the feedback is rather conflicting.
If I do, that will be tomorrow evening (17th), around 7PM Mountain Time.

Please vote and add a comment if there is something specific that interests you or your reasoning.

Father's Day Deals

It looks like all the different retailers have sufficiently recovered from the Memorial Day to swiftly transition into Father's Day.

It is not quite a Father's day thing, but Norma usually ahs something interesting on sale. This time it is rather good quality 9mm https://alnk.to/4fSBmuh

Telson optics offer a 15% site-wide sale on everything that is stackable with my DLO6 discount code that gets you additional 6% off.
https://www.telsonoptics.com/?coupon_code=dlo6
To date, I have looked at the Toxin 3-18x50 very carefully and like it quite a lot. I have had a little bit of hands on time with the 5-25x56 and 5-32x56 as well, but not enough to form strong opinions. They do seem like nice scopes.

Opticsplanet has 13% off with "TYDAD" coupon plus 2% bonus bucks. https://alnk.to/90B3faG

Primary Arms has a pretty extensive list of discounted items posted already https://alnk.to/2uJ0X2f They usually add something new to it as they build to the actual holiday, so if you are looking for ...

Riflescope Mount recommendations

We have had enough discussions on riflescope mounts that I figured I should have at least a small number of the ones I recommend summarized among the riflescope recommendations.
There is a huge number of mounts out there with many very serviceable ones.
This will be more along the lines of the ones that I actually use, rather than an exhaustive list of the good ones.
https://opticsthoughts.com/?page_id=3282

A morning with a chronograph

When I tell people that I am using Hornady's factory ammo for matches, I get occasionally surprised looks.  Occasionally.  Most of the time, I get fairly condescending looks from handloaders who would not let a factory round pollute the chambers of their precision rifles if their lives depended on it.

To be fair, if I had the time, I might be reloading as well.  I might be able to do better than modern factory ammo, but the truth is that I am not a quarter MOA shooter, so a lot of that would be lost on me.  The UKD matches I fidn most interesting can be done by a competent shooter with a 1MOA gun.  I am working on that first part.  I reload when I have to, but if I can get factory ammo that's not outrageously expensive and that shoots well, I will go with that every time.

I looked around and realized that I have about 600 rounds of Hornady 147gr 6.5CM factory ammo from two lots.  400 rounds from one that I will use during the match later this month.  The remainder I will likely use up practicing prior to that.

I woke up early and snuck out to the range while my family was still asleep earlier today.

I set up in the 100 yard tunnel we have.  I took my four shots to zero with the lot I plan to use for the match.  Then I fired a six shot ~0.7MOA group.  That's accurate enough for my purposes.

Here are the chronograph results:

It is slow, but accurate and consistent.

Then I shot a five round group of Hornady 147gr ammo from the other lot.

Both of those lots are not too shabby for factory ammo.  POI was within 0.2mrad between the two lots, all laterally.  

 

I had some other ammo on hand, so I fired two five shot groups with Berger 144gr hybrid target ammo and Sako TRG 136gr.

Here is what I got for five rounds of Berger:

That's not a ton of statistics, but it is a data point.  The group was ~1.1MOA

 

Here the data for the Sako TRG 136gr ammo:

This ammo showed some mild pressure signs, but not too significant.  

Again, this is not a ton of data, but Hornady is looking pretty decent here.

I'll repeat the zero retention and consistency tests a couple more times between now and June 18th when we head to Wyoming.

I might pick up a couple more boxes of Hornady 147gr from a different lot to get some more data.

More to come.

 

Read full Article
First PRS Match is behind me
High Noon at Del Norte

My first PRS match is officially behind me.  It was, I think an officially sanctioned regional PRS match at the shooting range called Del Norte about an hour from me (just east of Rio Rancho).
As I discussed previously, rather than using the rifle I originally prepared for it, I ended up having to change gears at the last moment and slapping a 5-25x56 Tangent on my daughter's 6ARC MiniFIx.  A lightweight 16" Proof barreled 6ARC is not an ideal set up for PRS competition, but, in the grand scheme of things, the rifle did hot hold me back at all.  I had a couple of weights that fit the Q-cert handguard, so I slapped them on there as well, which got the rifle to right around 12lbs.  The balance point was almost where I want it, but not quite.  In all other ways, this was a very handy rifle to shoot.  I am actually thinking of getting a couple more weights that I can stack on it (Sawtooth weights are stackable), so that I can shoot some future local matches with it.  It shoots Hornady's Black 105gr ammo very well (it also shoots 108gr ELD-M and 103gr ELD-X well, but I had a larger supply of Hornady Black ammo on hand).

It chrono'ed pretty consistently for factory ammo.  Here are the measurements for a 20 shot group.

If I were to take out the fastest shot, SD drops down to 8fps.  

In terms of wind performance, it is a 5mph rifle, so slightly better than the 308 ammo I was going to use originally, but not as good as the 6.5CM that was my intended match rifle for this year (we make plans, but then life happens).

I do have to admit that I really enjoyed shooting the match with the MiniFix.  So much so, that I am seriously thinking of building another one for myself, since this rifle is technically my daughter's.

The closest shot we had was a bit over a couple of hundred yards.  The furthest was around 1150.  That was a bit challenging for the 16" barreled 6ARC, especially since the terrain there is tricky and wind is doing strange things.  Morning was relatively quiet wind-wise, but then the wind becamse gusty with changing directions.

It was a one day match with about 30 shooters (six squads) and ten stages.  The 17 year old kid who won the match was in my squad with his dad.  Apparently he is on the US team, so it should not be surrpising that he won.  He was very good.

Overall level of the shooters in the match was quite good.  I really was not sure what to expect.  Somewhat paradoxically, the only matches that I have shot in so far are the much larger two day NRL Hunter matches.  In those, I am just out of the bottom third in terms of skill level.  In this match, it was pretty much in the same spot, I think.  

The terrain was a little bit like Cameo, I think (I have been there, but not shot there), with some angle changes and sufficient vegetation to make getting on target occasionally troublesome. 

Only for Supporters
To read the rest of this article and access other paid content, you must be a supporter
Read full Article
post photo preview
Updates
Getting back on the horse, little by little

My original plan was to do a livestream on Thursday of this week, but I think I'll push it out to next week.  A few days at home is doing wonders for my recovery, but my voice is still not quite there.  I do not think any of you are looking to listen to me cough for two hours straight.

Also, I am going to try to shoot that local PRS match this coming Saturday, so doign a livestream next week after the match is likely to be more productive.  It is my first one, so I fully expect that I will screw it all up.  It should be a good learning experience.  I do not have a dedicated PRS rifle and I am not looking to set one up jsut yet.  If I like it, I'll put something together, but as far as competition goes, my focus is really on UKD matches like NRL Hunter, Competition Dynamics, etc.  My 6.5CM is not back yet, so I'll just shoot it with my 308 FIx.  It is not ideal, but it will do just fine for my purposes.  I am in no danger of winning anything either way and this will stress my ability to read wind.  A secondary purpse here is that I am not 100% certain what rifle I will take on a mule deer hunt with later this year, but it will be either something new to test or this 308.  Now that I think about it, the 308 is going with me regardless either as a primary rifle or as backup.  The rifle shoots, so if I miss, I know it is on me.

For the match, I have Burris XTR PS 5.5-30x56 scope on the 308 Fix.  I think the way they did the heads up display in these is a meaningful improvement over conventional riflescopes.

https://alnk.to/d3EjPHC or https://alnk.to/8iVRlGN

Optically, I think XTR Pro is a little better, but the EO integration in the XTR PS is, I think, in advantage.

In parallel, I am looking at the replacement AAC ammo (they replaced the faulty ammo and I have chrono results on it) and testing the optics of the 40mm scopes in parallel.

 

Only for Supporters
To read the rest of this article and access other paid content, you must be a supporter
Read full Article
Available on mobile and TV devices
google store google store app store app store
google store google store app tv store app tv store amazon store amazon store roku store roku store
Powered by Locals