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Optics OEMs

It is no secret that the vast majority of sporting optics out there are not made by the companies that sell them. They are manufactured by the various OEMs (Original Equipment Manufacturers) out there, predominantly in Asia. For riflescopes that typically means Japan, Phillipines or China, although there are other Asian countries perfectly capable of making them. The only other ones I can think of offhand that either make or used to make riflescopes are South Korea and Taiwan. Several Bushnell scopes are made in Korea and Swift products as well. I do not know if Swift has their own factory or if they use an OEM or if they are the OEM. Taiwan has made a few PU replica scopes in the past. There may be others I am not aware of. I think there is an OEM type company that hails from Taiwan, but they make stuff in China.
Vietnam and Thailand both have lens and camera manufacturing plants, so we could see riflescopes come from there in the future. It is a very similar skill set and workforce.
For the time being, vast majority of Asian scopes are from Japan, Phillipines and China. However, the whole supply chain is really muddied by how interconnected, in many ways, these places are. It is also really not that critical, aside from political considerations, where the product is made as long as it is done by a reputable place. It has not always been this way, but although Japan still offers higher end products, sometimes I wonder if it is largely driven by the fact that the market is willing to accept a $2500 Japanese scope, but not a Chinese one. That perception is clearly changing. We already have nearly $2k spotting scopes from China that are very good and $1200 riflescopes that do really well against their competition.
To me, it is intellectually interesting how all these OEMs developed. Japanese and Phillipino OEMs (some Phillipine OEMs are owned by Japanese companies) essentially started with simple, but well made designs and moved on up in terms of system complexity and additional features from there. They sorta already had the fundamentals worked out and worked to improve from there. Chinese OEMs mostly took a different path. They arrived on the scene later during a different age of consumerism with so many people shopping on the internet sight unseen. They started out making cheap crap and then added a bunch of fancy looking features. That made their products into feature rich crap aimed at mall ninjas. Once that was reasonably established, they started getting the fundamentals worked out, so the product improvement path was very different from how the Japanese, for example, went about it. The end result, for better Chinese OEMs, is mostly the same, they are now making a good product and fighting their historically bad rep.
Anyway, country of origin mostly talks about the place where the product is finally assembled and aligned and even then, it is not clear cut. For example, some US based companies re-align optics they get from their Chinese OEMs or add additional features, like turrets.
Then there is the mostly unimportant, but annoyingly persistent question of where the internal parts, bot optical and mechanical come from. From a quality and performance standpoint it is arguably the single stupidest thing to worry about, but people really obsess about this anyway.
Here is the simple answer to this: if you a willing to pay a particular company your hard earned money for a $1500 (for example) riflescope, that means you trust them to figure out where to get the internal components. They do this for a living, so they are usually good at it. If they are not, their competitors will kick their ass.
It is entirely possible that a particular scope you are buying is assembled in the Phillipines, with the mechanical internal components machined in China, individual lenses sourced piecemeal from China, Japan, Phillipines, Taiwan and Korea, with final testing done in the Phillipines and partially repeated in the US. For larger volume manufacturers, they might even be ordering the same components from multiple sources to make sure they are not entirely dependent on a single subcontractor.
Lastly, also keep in mind that some OEMs only offer their own designs that are essentially labeled with a particular brand's logo. Others do that, but they will also "build to spec" and "build to print".
"Build to spec" means that they will re-work a design or develop a new one to hit a particular set of specifications.
"Build to print" means that they are strictly a manufacturer: essentially, you make your own optomechanical design and they build it for you.
In the optics world, we have some of each and some that are a hybrid.
Essentially, it is all a convoluted mess that we should not be worrying about. It all comes down to how well a scope performs overall.

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Blast From The Past: Millett ZoomDot RDS

I dug this thing up purely by accident. It has been a long time since I used it for anything, but I am thinking I should, especially as I work on a magnifier video.

MIllet's ZoomDot was a unique red dot sight that had auto brightness and variable dot size from 1MOA to 10MOA.

Early ones, like mine, were made in the US. Millett had some aspirations of selling these to the US military.

I do not think they got very far, then the company was bought by Bushnell and essentially shut down after a little bit. At some point, the manufacturing for the ZoomDot moved to China and it was not really the same.

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Scout Scopes: Burris 2.75x20

Scout scopes are almost like a forgotten art form these days. There is an occasional discussion either on how they are the greatest thing since sliced bread because 1) THE colonel said so 2) if you do not think they are, refer to rule number 1.
Alternatively, the prevailing thought is that they are completely useless and if LPVOs existed in Jeff Cooper's time, there would never be such a thing as scout scopes.
The truth, as is usually the case, resides somewhere in the middle.
Scout scopes do have their place, but they are definitely a niche product. It is, however, an interesting niche.
Scout scope pickings are relatively slim in terms of what's on offer.
Leupold makes a 1.5-4x28 https://alnk.to/gKSibYj
Burris makes a 2-7x32 and 2.75x20
Vortex has a 2-7x32 in the Crossfire line
There are also a few out there from UTG, Aimsports, etc.

I strongly lean toward compact fixed power designs, so Burris 2.75x20 https://alnk.to/cSJCBQx is probably my favourite and is the subject of this ...

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Integrix M1 MRAD Reticle in the 3-18x44

Wind was really making things difficult, but at least this gives you a look at the reticle.
It is a respectable design that is conceptually closer to SKMR reticles than to the ones I usually gravitate to. They also have an M2 that is, I think, a little better.
In the grand scheme of things, the M1 did not take me long to get used to and it is not giving me any real issues.
https://alnk.to/9TaI2kH

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Integrix 3-18x44 Tracking Follow-up

I reached out to Leapers to relay the issues I found with reticle sizing and tracking in the 3-18x44 scope they sent me.

They confirmed that the scope I have here is an engineering model. They also talked to engineering and, apparently, they found the same issues I did with the mrad model and fixed them for the production run.

The MOA model (https://alnk.to/eZIJo9a) is, according to them, spot on. The issues were only present in pre-production mrad scopes.

Once they get production scopes going, I plan to re-visit them. I think the first one to become available will be the 4.5-27x model with the M2 Mrad reticle. I saw it during SHOT and I think it will be more up my alley than the M1, though the latter is still serviceable.

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Memorial Day Sales

I am beginning to see some early Memorial Day Sale emails in my inbox.
If I see anything interesting, I'll add it to this post which will be pinned to the top, rather than inundate you with incessant "it's a sale!" emails. Better keep it all in one spot.

The first one I see is from Opticsplanet. https://alnk.to/cwU58u8
They have all sorts of stuff rom Burris and Steiner discounted including the recently introduced Burris XTR PS 5.5-30x56 for $2199 https://alnk.to/d3Em4Su and the rather unusual Steiner T6Xi 3-18x56 https://alnk.to/ge7ZJBN
Eliminator 6 gets you $400 of bonus bucks to use on something else. https://alnk.to/flycPy8

Tract Optics will be running a 10% storewide sale starting Thursday with the discount code "REMEMBRANCE". While I generally like their products, the one that is really agreeing with me the most is the new 2.5-15x44 with MRAD Eagleman reticle. https://tractoptics.com/toric-uhd-30mm-2-5-15x44-ffp-illuminated-mrad-eagleman-long-range-hunting-rifle-scope/
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First PRS Match is behind me
High Noon at Del Norte

My first PRS match is officially behind me.  It was, I think an officially sanctioned regional PRS match at the shooting range called Del Norte about an hour from me (just east of Rio Rancho).
As I discussed previously, rather than using the rifle I originally prepared for it, I ended up having to change gears at the last moment and slapping a 5-25x56 Tangent on my daughter's 6ARC MiniFIx.  A lightweight 16" Proof barreled 6ARC is not an ideal set up for PRS competition, but, in the grand scheme of things, the rifle did hot hold me back at all.  I had a couple of weights that fit the Q-cert handguard, so I slapped them on there as well, which got the rifle to right around 12lbs.  The balance point was almost where I want it, but not quite.  In all other ways, this was a very handy rifle to shoot.  I am actually thinking of getting a couple more weights that I can stack on it (Sawtooth weights are stackable), so that I can shoot some future local matches with it.  It shoots Hornady's Black 105gr ammo very well (it also shoots 108gr ELD-M and 103gr ELD-X well, but I had a larger supply of Hornady Black ammo on hand).

It chrono'ed pretty consistently for factory ammo.  Here are the measurements for a 20 shot group.

If I were to take out the fastest shot, SD drops down to 8fps.  

In terms of wind performance, it is a 5mph rifle, so slightly better than the 308 ammo I was going to use originally, but not as good as the 6.5CM that was my intended match rifle for this year (we make plans, but then life happens).

I do have to admit that I really enjoyed shooting the match with the MiniFix.  So much so, that I am seriously thinking of building another one for myself, since this rifle is technically my daughter's.

The closest shot we had was a bit over a couple of hundred yards.  The furthest was around 1150.  That was a bit challenging for the 16" barreled 6ARC, especially since the terrain there is tricky and wind is doing strange things.  Morning was relatively quiet wind-wise, but then the wind becamse gusty with changing directions.

It was a one day match with about 30 shooters (six squads) and ten stages.  The 17 year old kid who won the match was in my squad with his dad.  Apparently he is on the US team, so it should not be surrpising that he won.  He was very good.

Overall level of the shooters in the match was quite good.  I really was not sure what to expect.  Somewhat paradoxically, the only matches that I have shot in so far are the much larger two day NRL Hunter matches.  In those, I am just out of the bottom third in terms of skill level.  In this match, it was pretty much in the same spot, I think.  

The terrain was a little bit like Cameo, I think (I have been there, but not shot there), with some angle changes and sufficient vegetation to make getting on target occasionally troublesome. 

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Getting back on the horse, little by little

My original plan was to do a livestream on Thursday of this week, but I think I'll push it out to next week.  A few days at home is doing wonders for my recovery, but my voice is still not quite there.  I do not think any of you are looking to listen to me cough for two hours straight.

Also, I am going to try to shoot that local PRS match this coming Saturday, so doign a livestream next week after the match is likely to be more productive.  It is my first one, so I fully expect that I will screw it all up.  It should be a good learning experience.  I do not have a dedicated PRS rifle and I am not looking to set one up jsut yet.  If I like it, I'll put something together, but as far as competition goes, my focus is really on UKD matches like NRL Hunter, Competition Dynamics, etc.  My 6.5CM is not back yet, so I'll just shoot it with my 308 FIx.  It is not ideal, but it will do just fine for my purposes.  I am in no danger of winning anything either way and this will stress my ability to read wind.  A secondary purpse here is that I am not 100% certain what rifle I will take on a mule deer hunt with later this year, but it will be either something new to test or this 308.  Now that I think about it, the 308 is going with me regardless either as a primary rifle or as backup.  The rifle shoots, so if I miss, I know it is on me.

For the match, I have Burris XTR PS 5.5-30x56 scope on the 308 Fix.  I think the way they did the heads up display in these is a meaningful improvement over conventional riflescopes.

https://alnk.to/d3EjPHC or https://alnk.to/8iVRlGN

Optically, I think XTR Pro is a little better, but the EO integration in the XTR PS is, I think, in advantage.

In parallel, I am looking at the replacement AAC ammo (they replaced the faulty ammo and I have chrono results on it) and testing the optics of the 40mm scopes in parallel.

 

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A first look at Steiner H6Xi 2-12x42
MPVOs are finally getting some attention

Here are some initial thoughts on the Steiner H6Xi 2-12x42.

I finally had a chance to shoot with it both supported and unsupported, which is an important part of figuring out how usable an optic is.

I found what looks to be more accurate specifications in the manual that came with the H6Xi, so the spec table is now updated:

To re-iterate from an earlier post, Eurooptic is selling the H6Xi 2-12x42 for $1350 and at that price, it is easily the best deal going in this category: https://alnk.to/90ALO3C

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