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An interesting question that deserves an answer
this came to me via a PM elsewhere
August 24, 2023

I finally got back from Israel last night.  Once I am past the usual jetlag, it is back to business as usual.  In the meantime, I got an interesting question via a PM.  Looking at it, I do not think there is anything in there to identify the sender, so it is pretty safe to answer it openly.  To be perfectly blunt, a significant number of good but long questions like this one was the original reason I started this website. 

What is really interesting and it happens all the time is that people ask me for a question about optics in a PM and say that they will not repeat it in an open thread.  I always found that perplexing.  Barring some occasional personal or professional detail, there isn't a damned thing I can tell you about riflescope that can not be shared in an open forum

The question is italicised.  My comments are in bold.

I do have a couple questions for you, but I will share briefly my experience with optics has been more with APO telescopes from Astro-physics out of Illinois designed by Roland Christensen. Many of his scopes have a five to seven year waiting list for them. In astrophotography as you may know the cameras must be chilled to the -40F range due to the long exposure times which heat up the CCD chip and if not chilled, will introduce visual artifacts in the form of white discs which looks like amother star, not good for Astro-images! In astrophotography it is about capturing few photons, thus long exposures. If only we could keep our eyes open for three or four minutes we could see so much more in the night sky.

I do not do a whole lot of astrophotography, but I used to work on astronomy FPAs for both land-based and space-based telescopes.  When you chill those large format CCDs, you are suppressing dark current, the spurious self-generated signal that can look like celestial objects that are not there.  Professionally speaking, image sensors specifically and electro-optical imaging systems more generally, is my field of expertise.  Riflescopes is more of a hobby.


One other comment, in conventional photography, superb prime lenses from Zeiss or Leica can really make a difference in gaining the final bits of performance for commercial photographers that are actually selling their images.

Now comes the perplexing area of riflescopes which I see as having a very narrow utilitarian purpose: can you see the target clearly and is the tracking accurate so that the system is repeatable under sometimes severe recoil over and over? Many people would really be annoyed at my simplification, but it is foundationally accurate.

I am perplexed when people on here get fixated on the accuracy of the color image and even CA, as you are not capturing a photograph wherein CA or color inaccuracy would be wholly unacceptable.

There is a fundamental difference between capturing images with a camera and perceiving them with your eye.  Human vision gets a lot from color details, so color accuracy does play a role.  As far as CA goes, some people pay more attention to it than others.  Depending on what type of CA it is, it also serves as an indication of other design/assembly problems in the optical system.  As far as commercial photography goes, how much difference Zeiss or Leica lenses really make is somewhat arguable since I have seen all sorts of lenses used for commercial purposes with great success.  It is a bit disingenuous for me to say since I use a Leica camera myself, but some optical issues are much easier to deal with when you have a digital image and a processor.  

With all that I would like to ask you a question and I won’t repeat your answer in a thread, but after you have made an exhaustive evaluation and comparison of say these three scopes the TT 7-35, SB 6-36 and the Zeiss LRP S3 6-36 and you conclude the winners to be TT, SB and finally Zeiss. Does if bother you going forward to look through the Zeiss S3 6-36? Can you not be satisfied any longer with the Zeiss as you been ruined by the TT and/or SB? I ask because the US culture is based on marketing and creating discontenment. “Oh you only own a NF, you cannot comprehend what you are missing comparing it to a TT.” Do you see what I am getting at?

I have been travelling for a bit and only got back home last night.  I have not yet spent enought time with the TT to confidently say how it compares with the S&B.  I do like the S&B and if you can get a good deal on it, you are likely to be happy with it.  P5 is a good reticle.  The question of if you can be satisfied with something less expensive once you have tried the fanciest stuff is very personal.  When not testing scopes, I use a broad range of design from mid-range on upwards and I am happy with all of them for different reasons.  YMMV.  

When I look at an iPhone with an OLED display I can say it is a clearer display, but when I use an iPhone without OLED, I conclude it’s alright and soon forget the OLED. Now if you move that OLED screen from a 6” phone to a 65” OLED TV - then it is a must have difference.

This is not really an apples-to-apples comparison, since you use your phone and TV for different purposes that are yet very different from DVO optics.  The differences between displays mostly pertian to the color gamut they can cover along with consistency and dynamic range of the contrast.  If you primarly use your phone for texting, e-mail, calendar, other text based apps and occasional social media, the type of the display is not super critical.  If you were doing more image critical things, it would make a bigger difference.  With a 65" TV, you are looking at images all the time, although video is somewhat more forgiving than stills.

So to end I want to ask you a couple of questions. I have an opportunity to buy new a Zeiss LRP S5 6-36x56 {details of the discount withheld} I have the opportunity to buy the SB 6-36 with the P5 reticle also significantly discounted (I won’t say how much) and the TT 7-35 would be no discount.
I’ve read your posts recently that you really like the SB 6-36. Also that you would be soon acquiring the TT 7-35. If you have both the SB and TT now. Just your snap evaluation optically which of the two do you like the best? In a couple of sentences optically which do you like better and why? And with your trained eyes are the differences very subtle such that in a double blind test you may not be able to tell the difference? Lastly, is the Zeiss S3 so much more inferior than the SB and TT?

Knowing what you‘ve seen in the SB, TT and Zeiss S3, has the SB and TT wrecked you from being able to enjoy the Zeiss S3?

Once I have spent more time with these scopes, I will have detailed impressions.  I can tell you right offhand that Zeiss is a perfectly respectable scope.  If you have a good deal in front of you and you like the reticle, you'll probbaly be quite happy with it.  S&B is indeed a better scope, but whether the price difference is worth the performance difference is very personal.  I can not make that decision for you.  As I have said many times in the past, if I were spending my own money on a current production Japanese 6-36x56 scope, on balance, I still think Razor Gen3 is the best one overall, while Element Theos has the best turrets.

I will say that "wrecked from being able to enjoy..." would require levels of conceit even I am not quite capable of.  I greatly enjoy my high end scopes, but there are other considerations that matter as well.  I have two Tangents that I consider to be the best within their applicable range of applications, but there are other applications where they are not ideal and I use something else.

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This week was my kids' spring break, so we ended up going on a road trip of sorts.  We flew to Houston, rented a car, visited the Space Center, checked out Galveston, then drove up to Dallas.  My dayjob is in Dallas and I need to visit the office occasionally.  Truthfully, I need to visit the office more often than I currently do, but given my family situation that is a little tricky.

My kids are very good travel companions, so we decided to drive back to Albuquerque instead of flying.  The way the timing worked out, we had a day to make a detour and drive up to Arkansas to visit John Baker and his Tacom HQ operation.

I've known John for a few years.  He has visited with me about three years ago to talk about his their reticle idea and a few other things  

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This time around, the reticle was not the main reason behind my visit.  John is a creative guy and they do several interesting things there.  Everything they do is clever and outside the box.  For example, to the best of my knowledge, they were the first to come up with different ways to shift the POI for ELR shooting with their TARAC devices.  Alpha and Bravo TARAC devices use prisms to shift the zero of the optic, but a predetermined angle.  I have a flip-up Alpha TARAC set up to help with my subsonic ELR pursuits.  Bravo TARAC attaches the prism to the objective of the riflescope which works beter with large objective designs.  Since Tacom came up with it, the idea has been pirated by a couple of people, most prominently by Nightforce.  Technically, Tacom has a patent on it, but this appears to be a situation where a large company (Nightforce) shamelessly muscled a small company (TacomHQ) out of their IP, knowing fully well that they have more money for lawyers.  To be fair, John does not talk about it too much, so this is just a guess on my part (although I am sure I am going to get a nastygram from Nightforce lawyers for posting this.  They seem to really enjoy pushing small independent guys around).

Charlie Tarac uses a periscope instead of a prism to optically add slope for ELR shooting.  Delta Tarac does mostly the same things except it also offsets the line of sight laterally to avoid the mirage from the barrel.

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The reason I wanted to spend a little time with Tacom was the structured barrel.  I first ran into this concept a few years ago and thought it was an interesting idea.

Initially, my plan was to pick an appropriate action and have John make me a 300NM structured barrel for an ELR bolt action rifle.  I still want a 300NM and I might put one together eventually.  However, I never quite pulled the trigger on that for a few reasons.  One is that I simply have very limited use for such a gun.  I still want one, but I do not have easy access to a place wehre I can really stretch the legs of a caliber with that kind of capability.  The reason I wanted to put one together with a structured barrel is that they are are getting very good lifetime out of these and they are very easy to get to shoot properly.  

They have several version of the structured barrel design, but fundamentally they start with a 1.5" diameter barrel blank and mill out a bunch of material.  The most disinctive features are deep longitudinal cylindrical channels drilled parallel to the bore.  The start at the muzzle and go back toward the chamber.  They do not make it all the way to the chamber.  On the outer surface of the barrel, there are additional featuers designed for eliminating vibrational nodes and increasing surface area for better heat exchange.  There is quite a lot of technical informaiton on their website: https://tacomhq.com/structured-barrels/

Structured barrels look very beefy because they start out from large diameter blanks and they are decidedly not light-weight barrels.  However, by the standards of typical match barrels they are on the lighter side of things because of how much material has been removed.  Given their impressive vibration dampening advantages, a few months ago I shifted gears and started leaning toward putting together a large frame AR around Tacom's structured barrel.

With the precisely calculated mechancial structure, these barrels acomplish two very complicated things simultaneously: they are harmonically dead and they do not get hot.

During my visit, we shot two guns with structured barrels: a 6.5CM AR-10 and a 300NM bolt gun.

We did not do mag dumps or anything that silly.  However, after 10 rounds of rather rapidly fired 6.5CM, the barrel was warm, but not hot.  Temperature distribution was arguably the most remarkable part.  Using an infrared thermometer, it was easy to show that the warmest part of the barrel was around the middle (near the gas block on the semi-auto),  The breech end of the barrel was cooler to the touch and measure at a lower temperature.  Basically, the barrel never got very hot and whatever heat it accumulated was shed very rapidly.

The feel of the recoil impulse is really odd in that it is completely muted and there was no muzzle rise to speal off.  I suspect a part of the was the muzzle brake, but this lack of discernible resonant frequencies made the recoil cycle extremely gentle.  I was shooting an IPSC at 350 yards and the recoil impulse never moved the reticle off the plate.  I fired the last four shots as rapidly as I could pull the trigger.  Everything was on the plate.  The rifle was not light at right around 14lbs with the scope, but I expected a lot more movement out of it even with the muzzlebrake.  Most gas guns have this slight "pitchiness" to them and I saw none of that.

The 300NM boltgun was slightly heavier, but with the much more powerful round the recoil did move the reticle off of the target, but not by much. 

I never lost sight of the target during the reocil impulse and the feel was, again, very muted and controllable.  I am not sure how heavy the boltgun was, but definitely less than 20lbs.  I would guess it was around 17lbs, but I'll check with John.

While both guns were very impressive, the semi-auto shot unlike any other gas gun I have ever pulled the trigger on.  No gas gun ever has a truly free floated barrel, since there is a gas block attached to it.  However, the combination of the structured barrel with a unque way that John has of putting the upper together, is the closest I have seen to date.

He bonds the barrel extension to the upper receiver and then screws a shouldered barrel into that.  The upper receiver is the Aero M5E1 Enhanced since the beefy upper receiver extension helps decouple the handguard from the barrel.  Also, the rather beefy structured barrel needs a large diameter handguard which this is.  The gas block they make is a custom affair that is probably better described as "tunable" rather than adjustable.  It is not designed for making frequent adjustments.  The idea is to tune your gas system for perfromance and reliability, then leave it alone.  I plan to do exactly that.

Since I was heading this way, I brought the necessary pieces with me for John to put together a 6.5CM upper for me.   Originally, I was thinking of doing it in 6XC for local PRS matches, but now that I shot with it, I want to try using it for NRL Hunter as well.  I think I can make weight without too much trouble.  I'll stick with 6.5CM in order to make power factor for Hunter matches.

Saying that I was impressed would be a gross understatement.  The feel of this gun is absolutely unique and it has recoil control behavior of a 25lbs gun in a 14lbs package.  It is quite remarkable.  Now, in the grand scheme of things, with my nearly 300lbs bulk backing up the gun, recoil control is a relatively straightforward affair.  Since my kids were there with me, I had both of them shoot both guns and watched the recoil cycle very carefully.  The guns barely moved even with a much smaller human behind them.

I know it sounds like magic, but it isn't.  I am not a mechanical engineer, but I spent a good amounf of time going over the materials and thinking through what they are doing with these barrels.  The science behind it is pretty solid.  I am not seeing any obvious holes in their foundational reasoning.  The execution is difficult and the barrels are not cheap.  Aside from good ideas, it takes a lot of skill and know-how to make these.  There is a good chance I will make a permanent switch to these barrels on what I consider my "heavy" precision guns while sticking with the Fix as lighter guns they way they were originally intended to be.  When I say heavy, I mean sub-20lbs with everything and light is sub-13lbs with everything (scope, suppressor, bipod).

Before I wrap up, let's get back to the heat management argument for a moment.  The 300NM I shot was significantly accurate and it is at a bit over 2800 rounds.  That sounds outlandish given that is nearly triple of I would expect out of this caliber.  However, if the chamber never gets very hot, it is possible.  I really want to know how long the 6.5CM John is building for me will last.  I have high hopes.

 

 

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