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Prismatic Magnification

As this is written, I am firmly ensconced at the Raasay distillery on the Island of Raasay among the Inner Hebrides islands off the western coast of Scotland. I got lucky with the weather and this place is absolutely unbelievable. Some of the most beautiful views I have seen to date and incredible hospitality where I am staying.
What do you think is on my mind among all this beauty and hospitality? Well, mostly the fact that I miss my family. They are half way around the world. The original plan was to bring them here with me, but due to unforeseen circumstances it was not in the cards this year.
While that is what I am mostly thinking about, the issue of prismatic magnification is still lingering in the OCD dominated parts of my brain, so let's get it out.
I went and looked a little bit at FOVs and size and weight of what's out there. I also went and looked at the FOVs of different thermal clip-ons since that also makes a difference.
The FOVs of thermal clip-ons I have looked at in the last couple of years varied from about 6 degrees to 17 degrees and almost everything in between.

That is not hugely helpful, but if we assume you are willing to lose some thermal FOV when using a thermal monocular as a clip-on, we can narrow it down to the range of 6 degrees to 9 degrees. That gives you roughly QVGA pixel counts when in front of a scope with most configurations.
Let's look at how that matches to the FOVs of common modern prismatics that I have been discussing over the last however many months.

Compact 3x prismatics from PA, Burris and Vortex are in the 7.2 to 7.4 degree range.

SwampFox Trihawk is a large prism design so it has 3x FOV of nearly 10 degrees.

ACOG 4x32, crappy eye relief and all, has 7 degree FOV.

Elcan OS 4x that is arguably my primary prismatic to date, has 6 degree FOV and weighs right around 17 ounces with the mounts.

Large prism 5x Saber from SwampFox is almost 6 degrees as well and ~25 ounces with an integrated mount.

The new 5x30 prismatic from Element should be a bit less than that, but likely close to 5.5-6 degrees and about the same weight with the mount. I think the Element might be the best one optically this side of an Elcan, but I will withhold judgement until I get a full production model here. It does have the best reticle of the bunch, of course (not that I would be biased about that, of course).

With small prism 5x scopes like Burris RT-5, PA SLx 5x and Vortex Spitfire Gen2, the FOV drops down to ~4 to 4.3 degree range, so performance with a thermal clip-on begins to suffer.

With 6x prismatics, we do not have a whole lot of reasonable datapoints, but PA has introduced a fairly compact 6x magnifier as did Vortex. A magnifier is essentially a prismatic scope without a reticle. Both of those have FOVs of just under 4 degrees. That's pretty usable, but not great with a clip-on.

I hope you are still with me after this entire stream of numerical unconsciousness.

There are a few things we can draw from this. One is that if you can bear the weight and plan to use a thermal clip-on, a large prism design might be worthwhile.

If you want magnification, a larger prism design with magnification of more than 5x will get a little unwieldy, unless you go with an ultrashort eyerelief scope. Those do have their place, but mostly on airguns. Element has a few coming up and I might look at them. Until then, large prism 5x designs are about as heavy as I'd want to go.

Even when at the same weight as an LPVO, prismatics do handle better simply because the weight is a bit further back. This handling advantage is further extended when working with a clip-on. It ends up being a lot closer to you. With a clip-on like Burris BTC-50 that has a rear-biased mount, I can fit both the prismatic and the clip-on on the upper receiver without touching the handguard (picture attached).

Where does that leave us? If compatibility with thermals is important stick with 3x or 4x prismatics, preferably with large prisms.

That gets you a lot of capability in a comparatively compact package.

Looking at FOVs of high quality LPVOs, like SAI6 1-6x24, it turns out that small prism scopes like the micro 3x and 5x prisms give you similar FOV to LPVOs, but for less money and weight.

Large prism designs, get you a wider and more immersive FOV than an LPVOs at the same magnification but weight becomes comparable (that will all change if I convince someone to make me an LPVO for ARs only with consistent 2.2" FOV).

This is where you have to be clear with what you are looking to do.

If for you this is a choice between an LPVO and a prismatic and you are looking to save some money, get a large prism 4x or 5x design. You will have an excellent experience with the image, wide FOV and reasonable compatibility with thermals. You might even be able to get away with the new 5x designs. I certainly plan to give them a shot. Once the 5x scopes from Element get here, you'll understand why.

If LPVO is not in the cards because of weight concerns, but you need some magnification, 3x scopes are looking good. Again, you retain good compatibility with thermals and add significant ability to positively ID and engage targets at distance at very low weight.

Small prism 5x designs are not a lot bigger and if you do not care about clip-ons they have their place. They are less expensive and lighter than LPVOs. What gives me a little bit of a pause is that I am clearly more comfortable shooting offhand on 3x than on 5x. Interestingly, larger prism 5x scopes mitigate that to a good degree with larger eyebox and massive FOV.

Is there such a thing as a medium prism design? It is not like there are only two prism sizes out there. Well, Elcan 4x I have is sorta that. If it had an adjustable eyepiece, it would eventually end up buried with me right next to the 3-15x50 Tangent Theta (there must be something in the water in Canada). The optics on that thing are glorious.

The truth is that there is only so much FOV I am willing to give up for magnification. With LPVOs, I can always turn the magnification down, but with a prismatic, I'd rather err on the side of keeping the FOV even if that means a little less magnification or a little more weight.

I wonder if I can get someone to make me a dual power 2.5x/6x prismatic....

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PA GLx 2x Final Resting Place

Here is a final, likely, wrap up of where I think the GLx 2x from Primary Arms belongs.
It is likely the best general purpose optic for AKs and ARs I have seen in a while for shooting inside of $200. Definitely the best for the money and per ounce.
Now, when I say "inside of 200 yards" I do not mean trying to shave a hair of of a mosquito's left testicle. Assume shooting at typical subjects the size of a human torso, or a hog's vital zone.
Most of the time, I have the GLx sitting on a 300BLK pistol. I used it to teach one of my kids to shoot and it was a very easy and forgiving optic to use for a 7 year old. It is equally easy and forgiving for adults as well. It is just that easy to get behind and moderate magnification helps with the ease of use tremendously.
Now that pistol braces are verbotten, the GLx ended up on a 7.62x39 AK (a somewhat tricked out WASR-10) and I think it is going to stay there permanently.
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SwampFox Sentinel red dot sight

This one is a very simple review:
-it is small
-it is robust
-it works they way it is supposed to
-it does not cost a huge amount of money
-the Ironside shield is a good idea
-RMSc footprint is a good idea

I messed up on price in the video. It is about $50 less than I thought at Brownells: https://alnk.to/a41u5D4

Ironsides stainless steel shield adds $40 to it: https://alnk.to/hDo4gJf

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Kicking things off with 5x prismatics: SwampFox and Vortex

I plan to examine a few more prismatics as I go along, but here is the first installment that discusses SwampFox Saber 5x36 and Vortex Spitfire Gen2 5x25.
The interesting part is how little they have in common and how they do compromises differently.
Saber used a large CR123 battery, for example, but the housing gets in the way of a conventional offset red dots or irons should you choose to use one. However, the red dot mounted on the body of the sight, I think, works better.
Vortex, unlike the SwampFox comes with two different mount heights, so I was able to use it on both AK and AR platforms. It is more at home on a lightweight AR though.
The approaches to FOV, reticles, packaging and mounting are very different, which makes it all interesting to me.
The next video on 5x prismatics will talk about the Element Immersive 5x30 and Primary Arms SLx 5x Micro in some length.

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Hi Ilya,

Furthering some of the recent discussions on red dot optics for CQB rifles, I am wondering if a high end LPVO can be an ideal compromise for both very close engagements and distances out to 200 yards and more. There is no doubt that the LPVO is an order of magnitude better than a red dot for targets beyond 100/200 yards, so the question is how fast can an LPVO be at very close range. This comes down to how wide/forgiving the best LPVO eye boxes are and how bright the illuminated reticle center features are.

I have a good 16" < 1 MOA 556 with MPVO plus offset red dot that is outstanding for engagement flexibility (let's call this an SPR setup). This configuration can very reliably engage and accurately hit from a few yards to 700 yards even in challenging low light conditions. This rifle definitely has it's place and I don't plan to change the optics (except for possibly upgrading the scope to a TT). However, while the rifle is pretty light (6.2 lbs) the mount plus two optics load ...

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Man, there is NOTHING about the new March 1-10 34mm straight tube scope out there. Now that it's available without those funky turrets, in a sensible capped version, I am very curious about it. For reference, this one, but with capped:

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LPVO weight data collection:
I had a few thoughts here after got done with this.
-If March made a 1-6 shorty, would it be quite lighter than the VX-6HD?
-I know the ARES ETR 1-10 has really nice turrets, maybe cutting the weight there would make the weight back to somewhat normal?
-There are a few not well-known scopes like the Gideon 1-10 and the Apex1-8.
Corrections are welcomed

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Non-magnifying Optic Parallax Error
A Dose Of Reality

The discussion of how much parallax red dot sights have pops up all the time.  It gets very emotionally charged.  Measured parallax error gets converted to MOA.  Everyone knows that MOA is right around one inch.  Large parallax error in MOA at close distances looks like a huge problem.
What is frequently forgotten is that 1MOA is exactly one inch at only one distance: ~95.5 yards.
At closer distances, it is a lot less than an inch.


Here is a table that calculates linear parallax error at different distances for a given angular error in MOA:

One of the problems is that most manufacturers of red dot sights claim their sights are parallax free.  What they really mean by that is that they are parallax free in the sweetspot (some center region) at one particular distance (usually 40 or 50 yards).

EoTech, apparently and to their credit, actually posted some numbers that are about right based on what I have seen:

The only othe rhologrpahic sight on the market, Vortex UH-1 is slightly better than that at the edges.  However, with both EOTech and UH-1, I can only see parallax error fairly close to the edges.  Most of the center portion of the window has sufficiently low parallax error that the natural dispersion of my shooting completely conceals it.  

Suppose you are doing a CQB drill and go really fast.  You end up taking a shot where the aiming point is somewhere toward the edge of the window of the sight.  Worst case, you are picking up about 10MOA of error from the optic.  That is 1.5 inches at 10 yards.  Does that constitue a problem for a CQB scenario?  Not in the slightest.  The only time I can think of when it might be an issue is a hostage-type drill, but every time I have done it, there was enough time to roughly center the aiming point in the sigh tpicture.  That brings parallax error down to zilch and you get to concentrate on dealign with gun wobble, accelerated heart rate and general stress (and that assumes noone is shooting back at you).

As the distances increase, so does the magnitude of linear parallax error, assumign a fairly constant angular error.  However, I am rapidly getting past the point where I should be taking shots at anything much beyond two hundred yards without magnification (I will be hunting deer with an iron sight muzzleloader in the fall, so I will test this out in preparation).

If I am shooting at something 100+ yards away, chances are I will have an extra second to center the aiming point.

Now, none of this means that we should not check for parallax with our holographics and red dot sights.  However, what I care about the most is the size of the sweetspot: the center area of the sight picture where parallax is negligible.  As long as it is not too small, I do not get too hung up on the parallax performance at the edges.

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HET8: Top Level Summary

Since I am pathologically late on everything, I figured I should release at least a summary as I try to put the final video content together.  I plan to do a livestream as a wrap up as soon as I organize all the data.  Below is a run down of a few categories.  Let me know if I missed something and I will add more detail.

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Reference Standard - 2024

I mentioned the whole reference standard idea about six months ago: https://darklordofoptics.locals.com/post/4249701/coming-soon-to-the-mailbox-near-you

The plan is to select a few scopes as my reference standards in a few categories and make sure I keep them on hand for at least the entire calendar year.  If they move on somewhere, I have to designate something else as the reference standard in that category.  There might be a couple of reference standard designs in each category to split them by price range.

Since I just went through the riflescope category exercise https://darklordofoptics.locals.com/post/5212669/riflescope-type-classification (the "reference standard" idea is one of the reasons I did that), let's stick with roughly the same framework.

Do keep in mind, that some categories I am not as well versed in as I'd like to be.  Also, there might be scopes in each category I consider exceptional, but do not have on hand.  Reference standard has to be something I have here and will use as a basis for comparisons.  I will endeavor to use optics that I believe to be at the top of their category, but it is not always possible.  Natirually, these will lean heavily toward mrad designs.  I avoid MOA like the plague whenever possible.

 

Fixed 1x
For prismatics, this has to be Primary Arms SLx 1x Microprism.  https://bit.ly/3uLqu0E I have a few different 1x prismatics on hand, but SLx is the only one that has been here long enough to be the standard for 2024.  For now.  There are some really interesting options in this range.

 

Fixed mag small prism
This can go in a variety of different directions depending on personal preferences and price.  It is not practical to have a reference standard for every magnification and with compact prismatics I do like 3x as a good compromise magnification.  These scopes are a step up from people who have been using red dots with magnifiers and want a better experience at distance.  This one will also go to Primary Arms.  Technically, I like GLx 2x more than SLx 3x, but 2x is such a unique magnification that it is not a very good yard stick for comparisons.  SLX 3x Microprism it is, then.  https://bit.ly/4bMMclz

 

Fixed mag large prism

Somewhat oddly, with large prism scopes, I start leaning toward higher magnifications.  I want these in 4x or 5x.  I view these differently.  These are, to me, alternatives to LPVOs and spiritual successors of old general purpose 4x and 6x fixed power scopes, except more compact and with wider FOV.  There a couple of good options and, unsurprisingly, my favourites are Element Immersive 5x30 https://bit.ly/3NjJ4mJ and the discontinued Elcan Spectre OS 4x.  The dual power Spectre DR is still thriving, as expensive as it is.  https://bit.ly/4bQpwAN  I have the single magnification 4x and it is a very good yardstick for what a high end prismatic should be.  With the Element, I am clearly biased since I designed the reticle for it.  In other words, I got to put a reticle I could not get other people to make into a scope I like.  You should not be terribly surprised to see it here.

 

LPVO

This one gets tough and there will be several options here.  Keep in mind that I like FFP LPVOs once we get up in price.

With budget LPVOs, for now, it is Primary Arms SLx 1-6x24 with Nova reticle. https://bit.ly/40LeLdt It has some competition this year, but until I spend more time looking through it, PA takes it.

On the mid-range, it is a battle between SAI6 1-6x24 with mrad reticle https://bit.ly/49Nomo4 and PA PLxC 1-8x24 with meters BDC reticle. https://bit.ly/3Bn3951  With PA, I am not a fan of their other reticles, but I like how light and short it is with an excellent eyepiece.  With SAI6, I like the whole reticle line-up but lean toward the mrad designs for general purpose use.  The X-Wing style high visbility feature is not for everyone, but it works for me.  I suppose I will keep both here.  

If you go up in price, my basic opinion has not changed.  Vortex Razor Gen3 1-10x24 is the one to beat if you want a nuclear bright reticle.  https://bit.ly/3w1Ah2T

This leaves a little of a "no-man's land" with LPVOs that are designed to be true general purpose designs, like the side focus equipped March Shorty 1-10x24 and Delta Stryker 1-10x28.  They are a little too different to serve as a useful yardstick for anything but each other.  For now.

 

Dangerous Game

I may have to skip one because I do not really have anything on hand right now that fits the description and I have had long enough to make it a reference standard.  I do have some ideas, so stay tuned.

 

MPVO

For the time being, the one to rule them all is the dual focal plane March 1.5-15x42 https://bit.ly/4bjm15X  This category, almost by definition, is the one where compromises are made for the most flexibility.  This March is not perfect, but it is the best we currently have.  On the budget end, the yardstick should be Athlon's excellent Helos BTR Gen2 2-12x42, but it is sitting on top of a friend of mine's rifle two states to the West.  It can't be a reference standard if it is not here.  In the meantime, the old reliable SWFA SS 3-9x42 will do.  I have a couple of them.  https://swfa.com/swfa-3-9x42-ss-hd-mil-quad-reticle-30mm-tube-1-mil-clicks-ffp/

 

Tweener

I do not like to use a discontinued scope as a yardstick, but Razor HD LH 1.5-8x32 has got to be it.  It is not a common scope category, so we will hoble along like this until I come up with something still manufactured (that fits the profile and I like).  On the low-ish end of the price range,  I do like SWFA 2.5-10x32 Ultralight and have a couple of them.  https://swfa.com/swfa-2-5-10x32-ss-ultralight-msr-556-bdc-reticle-1-tube-25-moa-clicks/ 

 

Crossover

For once, this one is easy and I'll keep it all within a sane-ish price range.  Vortex Razor HD-LHT 4.5-22x50 https://bit.ly/3KEbZyA and Delta Stryker 3.5-21x44 https://annexdefense.com/delta-stryker-hd-3-5-21x44-rifle-scope/ are the purest expressions of the crossover idea I have seen to date, this side of Tangent TT315M that you will see a couple of categories down.

 

Traditional Hunting

This get difficult again because it is not a type of a scope that is common around these parts and the ones I look at do not stick around too long.  I simply happen to be an FFP guy.  However, some hunting scope articles are very much overdue and I do have an excellent Delta Titanium 1.5-9x45.  In sticking with sane prices, let's add Tract Toric 2.5-15x44 with illuminated reticle to this list.  https://tractoptics.com/toric-uhd-30mm-2-5-15x44-ffp-illuminated-mrad-mrad-hunting-rifle-scope

These two should give me a decent ability to compare.  On the high end, there are several real interesting options, but I do not have any on hand since the two categories bracketing this one fill that role for me.

 

General Purpose Practical Precision

Given how much this crosses over with, oun intended, crossover designs above, I could have merged them into signle category.  It would make too much sense so here we are.  Tangent Theta TT315M 3-15x50 is still it to me. https://bit.ly/41dz6c8

In the less eye-wateringly expensive world, the current range of 4-25x50 (or thereabouts) designs from LOW seem to offer a lot for the money.  Tract's version is a good example.  https://tractoptics.com/toric-4-25x50-34mm-mrad-elr-rifle-scope

Moving further down in price, I think Burris XTR3i 3.3-18x50 takes the cake https://bit.ly/48ViwQX  I really like how capable it is at very near to $1k, so it will be here for a while.

 

Long Range Practical Precision

I might catch a lot of flack for this one, but so be it.  

High end: still Tangent Theta 5-25x56 https://bit.ly/3ORWU0n

Best bang for the buck on the high end: Vortex Razor Gen3 6-36x56  https://bit.ly/3VcAXJD

Mid-range: Delta Stryker 4.5-30x56 (there is a bunch of simlar scopes in this category and I happen to have this one)  https://www.edgunwest.com/store/delta-optics/item/delta-stryker-4-5-30x56/

Low-mid range: Meopta Optika6 5-30x56 (again, there are several to choose from that are similar, but this one is on hand) https://bit.ly/3Ia4QX9  and Delta Javelin 4.5-30x56.  There are some similarities between them, but these are not identical scopes  https://annexdefense.com/delta-javelin-4-5-30x56-rifle-scope-ffp-smr-1-do-2470/

 

Short Range Target: I'll have to skip this one for now.

Long Range Target: Ditto.  It is not a category I look at much, so I do not have anything on hand that will fit.  I will rectify that.  Until then, the best paper shooting scope I have and intend to keep is March 5-42x56.  It bridges several categories nicely since it is FFP, but it pulls target shooting duty for me.  If I decide to do a comparison review on target scope, this Marhc will serve as the reference standard.  https://bit.ly/3TdABox

Field Target: I do not have a Field Target setup, so this category is going to be skipped for now.  Hopefuly, not for too long.

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