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January 27, 2023
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One of the interesting things that happens after SHOT is that people keep asking me what stood out.  That is not necessarily an easy question to answer well because we all have different priorities and because some of the stuff that I really liked has not yet been announced and they politely asked me to not go into any real details about it.

One example of that is the Gen2 Revic scope.  I liked it and I took some pictures, but until it is announced, I will not say anything more than the fact that I found it extremely promising.  

With Revic bipod, while they did not make a formal announcement, they did have it out in the open, so I'll add a couple of pictures.  I thought it was very innovative and I plan to do a full review fairly soon.  Shooting supports are a big deal.  I look at bipods and tripods all the time.  What Revic has might be the better mouse trap as far as hunting bipods go.

Tangent Theta 7-35x56 looked REALLY good.  However, that is probably the least surprising takeaway from the whole thing.  They have been working on it for quite a long time and it will not be cheap.  It better be good.  How good it really is will be difficult to say until I get my hands on one, but at first blush it retains all of the strengths of the 5-25x, while adressing the few of its weaknesses.  It focuses closer while simulataneously improving eyebox.

With Element Optics, I knew what they had on the way and you already know that I liked the 6-36x56 Theos.  One of their projects that I could not talk about earlier is the HYPR7.  In a nutshell, this technology within a generation or two, will give us a somewhat similar experience, I suspect, to what Vortex has in the XM157 scope.  I will be doing a full work-up on that scope, naturally, and I will go into great detail on why it is a big deal.

There were a couple of binoculars, finally, with reticles in them.  One was the 12x50 from Apex and the other a 15x56 from Bushnell.  I am really happy to see them.  I'll try to review both and I hope they do well and encourage more reticle equipped binos in the future.

iRay is doing a lot of things right and with thermals they had some of the more interesting products.  Contrary to what you likely expect from me, it is not the $18k HD resolution thermal riflescope, although it does look very good.  iRay had a bunch of new products and they all looked well executed and thought out.  Whoever is in charge of product development there, knows what they are doing.  Still, two products really stood out to me: FAST FAL19 fused sight and RICO Pro.

FAL19 is, essentially, a Steiner CQT for $4k and nicely productized.  It fuses a 384x288 thermal with 19mm lens and a red dot sight.  Interestingly, Holosun's foray in the same field produced a lot of news, although it is only a prototype.  iRay's FAL19 looked pretty polished and it is available now.  To be fair, Holosun is promising to be a good bit cheaper for somewhat similar specs ($2300 to iRay's $4k), but I'd like to see how it performs.  The prototype did not look great in terms of image fusion, but we can't make any conclusions based on prototypes.  What I can say is that iRay looked very good.

Interestingly, the fused sight is distributed through a different company in the US, then most of the iRay products I looked at before: https://visirinc.com/product/dot-thermal-fusion-scope-fast/

The RICO Pro is also somehow fliying a bit under the radar and I'll be damned if I understand why.  If it works well without any durability issues, it will immediately jump to the top of my list of dedicated thermal scope recommendations.  Naturally, I did not take a good picture of that scope.  They did have a few for me to look at...

Simlarly new Rico G has a sleeker look and a very interesting battery setup, RICO Pro lens, however, means everything, if it works as advertised https://irayusa.com/rh50p

It is essentially a switch power lens that gives you either 25mm or 50mm focal length, i.e. optical zoom.  Thermal zoom lenses are really tricky to do on a budget.  However, if it works well, you have your wide FOV for scanning and close range stuff and narrow FOV for precision aiming all in one device.  That's a big deal.  People who have not worked within the thermal world seem less impressed.  The guy you see me talking to in the picture has been working with thermals for almost as long as I have and we know a lot of the same people in the industry.  We were both shocked that RICO Pro is not making more waves.

While we are on the topic of thermals, ATN introduced their HD resolution thermal scopes at the show.  The one I looked at had a 50mm lens and there will also be 75mm and 100mm options ranging from $5.5k to $9.5k.  The scope they had was a little half-baked.  I think they slapped one together for the show to have something, so we do not know how good it reall looks.  However, I think the inherent performance is there and they need to do some work to bring it out.  Until then, I will withold judgement.

On one hand, I am not really a huge fan of thermals made to look like conventional scopes.  On the other hand, 100mm thermal with a 1280 core for under $10k is a milestone.

There was a lot of other interesting stuff of all varieties, to be honest.  Spartan Precision has the redesigned Ascent tripod I really want to play with.  Field Optics had a production dome top tripod (I actually have one of these in my hands, so a review is forthcoming).  Leupold Mark5 2-10x30 turned out to be better than I expected and it deserves a separate post and a dedicated spot in my review plans.  S&B clearly wants to play and they are bringing out new products for both tactical and hunting markets.  Burris has an updated thermal coming out and sub-$1k scope with integrated display that talks to the turrets.  That's a really big deal since you never have to look away from the scope.  However, if you ask me what stood out the most to me...  that's the stuff above.

 

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Primary Arms HTX-1 US Made red dot sight

I've had this RDS for a bit over two months now and I am beyond pleased with it.
Despite some spirited abuse, it keeps soldiering on.
https://alnk.to/1C9z5dw
It is a very nice RDS and being fully made in the US does not hurt either.

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Delta Stryker 3.5-21x44 Wrap-up

This scope comes up a lot since I really like the configuration. It is time to do a final wrap-up of it.

It is one of my favourite scopes on the market today, especially for the money, since I naturally lean toward general purpose-ish designs. Still, while the 3.5-21x44 Stryker is relatively compact and light, it still clearly leans toward the precision side of things, which suites me very well.

https://annexdefense.com/optics-and-optic-accessories/delta-optics/

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The 40s: SwampFox Recce MRAD Reticle in Warhwak 2-10x44

As is usually the case, I am taking my sweet time with the 40s comparison. There are several reasons for that. One is that I am busy. Another is that I really like this very underappreciated riflescope category and want to make sure I am doing the right thing with them. Yet another is a simple fact that I insist that I spend a LOT of time with each scope before I can recommend it and there are quite a few scopes to look at for this comparison.

Swampfox Warhawk 2-10x44 is sort of an odd duck here in many way. In terms of magnification range and objective size, it is right at home in this lineup. However, it is a bit big and heavy for the mag range at just under 13" and just under 30 ounces of weight. It has a lot of adjustment range at 35mrad, but has no zero stop. On the other hand...

It is sub-$500.
It has very good Apparent FOV at 24 degrees.
It is a lot better optically than I expected.
It has a very solid reticle with a clever illumination scheme.

The way this scope is set ...

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Well, imagine THAT....

I wonder if all of the Youtube frauds who spent the last few weeks shamelessly lying for clicks are going to go apologize to Sig now.

https://taskandpurpose.com/news/air-force-m18-arrest/

Area 419 and Odinworks Muzzlebrakes raffle

Just a reminder: on Tuesday, August 12th at around 7pm, Aaron and I will go over out impressions from the TRT Sniper Challenge in a bit more detail. We have the course of fire, so we'll go over how the stages were set up and the challenges presented by this rather unusual (by my standards match).

Somewhere half way through the livestream, I will raffle off a couple of items I picked up off of the prize table.

One is the Area 419 Hellfire Competition brake.

The other is a tunable brake from Odinworks.

The pictures for both are attached.

In order to enter the raffle, you have to be a member of this community (darklordofoptics.locals.com). You do not have to be a paying supporter. A free account is enough for this.

If you would like to enter the raffle, send me an email with the following information:
-the item you are going for (Area419 or Odinworks)
-your username from this Locals community

send the email to [email protected]

I will accept entries until ~8PM on ...

Some Photos from TRT Sniper Challenge

I'll be adding more pictures to that album as I go along.

For the livestream on August 12th when we do the raffle for the muzzle brakes, Aaron from Anarchy Outdoors will join me to discuss the match and lessons learned in more detail.

We are looking to get a copy of the course of fire from one of the organizers of the match, so the plan is to provide as much information on how the match was set up as we can.

https://opticsthoughts.smugmug.com/Matches/2025TRT/n-kTz7DQ

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Steiner C35 Gen2 Mount
from Annex Defense

The production version of the Annex Defense's mount for the Steiner C35 Gen2 thermal Clip-on is finally here.  At $1600 (when this is published), the clip-on is an absolute steal.

I've had it for a few days, but, me being the good old paranoid me, I spent some time shooting with it before posting anything.  I had a couple of days with it prior to last weekend's match in Montana and a couple of days after.  Another to pop it on and off a few times and get a couple of hundred rounds of 6.5Grendel through the gun to see if anything shakes loose.  So far so good.

The C35 Gen2 clip-on is sitting on my 6.5Grendel AR as a part of a long running "Only One" project that I have.  It pairs perfectly with the Steiner H6Xi 2-12x42 scope.

Here is what comes in the box from Annex Defense:

The order in which the whole thing comes togethe is pretty stragihtforward:

-slide the thermal washer onto the threaded interface extending out of the back of the clip-on

-spin the mount itself onto the threaded interface (the mount is threaded on the inside) until it can go no further

-rotate the mount so that the clip-on is properly lined up to the picatinny clamp

-once you are happy with the alignment, use the three nylon tipped set screws (you'll need an allen wrench for that) to lock in the position of the clip-on in the mount.  You need very little torque on the set screws.  They are there for one reason and one reason only: to keep the mount from spinning when you tighten the timing nut in the next step

-spin the timing nut onto the threaded interface of the clip-on to lock the mount in place.  You should not need the timing nut wrench, but one is in there just in case.

Here are the pieces laid out in the order in which you will need them.

When you are done, it should look like this:

Note that the mount normaly comes with two T20 screws.  I am using two thumbscrews instead, since I am popping the mount on and off all the time.  It seems to be staying put with the thumbscrews just fine.  I am hoping Annex will offer the thumbscrews as an option.

It is not quite an equivalent of a QD mount, but we needed something with an extremely low profile clamp to fit under scopes with fairly large objectives.  As is, the mount works with most scope that have objective lens diameter of 50mm or less.

I am using with with Steiner H6Xi 2-12x42 and the two work together exceedingly well.

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Scoping Gas Guns
an interesting question that acme in via PM

I received this question via a private message and thought it was interesting enough to answer it in some detail.  I have been thinking a lot about appropriate optics for gas guns recently, so this came it at the right time.

 

Here is what I ahve been messing with last few days:

 

Above: 18" WOA barrel 5.56 AR-15 with Burris XTR PS 5.5-30x56 on it.

Below: 22" Satern barrel 224Valkyrie AR-15 with Delta Stryker 3.5-21x44 on it.


For obvious reasons, I am not posting who asked the question, but what I'll do is send him a link to this article, so that he gets an answer and we might have a good discussion.
Here is what I received:

Had a question for you
I have a Knights Armament SR25 6.5CM with a 14.5" barrel - I plan on shooting 100 - 600 yards at targets at 100 yd intervals
I am favoring the TT 315P with an Aimpont Acro mounted on top -( see you liked the TT315M) - would that be enough magnification?
I saw the SB SB 5-20 which offer more top end - I like the turrets on the Tanget and tooless Zero - what are your thoughts between the 2?
If I stayed 400 and under - how do you see the TT315P with the Acro Red dot against the SB 1-8 Short Dot (saw your review on that)

There isn't really enough information in the question for a simple answer, so let's consider a couple of options.

What is the gun for? 

For shooting medium range (out to 600) with occasional close range use?  If yes, go with a conventional scope and offset or piggybacked RDS.

For shooting at close distance with occasional med/long range use? If yes, so with a nice LPVO like the above mentioned S&B Short Dot 1-8x24 https://alnk.to/3J8vlFv.  It is quite capable at long range, but where it will really knock your socks off is up close and personal.

The question of what is enough magnification is pretty personal.  For me, 3-15x is plenty, but I shoot a lot off of the tripod and off of barricades which likely influences my decision.  For that, my 3-15x50 TT315M Tangent works great and 6mrad of elevation is plenty.  https://alnk.to/gVNkUXB  175gr #08 out of a shoter tube will drop in the 5 to 5.5mrad range at 600 yards.

For a dedicated long range semi-auto, other than the looks, there isn't much downside to a larger scope, which is why I set up Burris' XTR PS on the 5.56 AR pictured above.  It is for my son to learn to shoot at distance and to us in next year's BOTC match.  https://alnk.to/gp33YuR

If I were setting up an accurate semi-auto and wanted a high mag scope for it, I would likely lean toward March 4.5-28x52. https://alnk.to/dLjHgjh  It is compact, relatively light and very good optically for any use other than the dead of the night (for which we should be using clip-ons anyway).

S&B Short Dot is a very nice scope, but March is a newer design and, other than the lowest light, has an edge in terms of image fidelity and stray light control.

TT315P Tangent is a veyr ncie scope and toolles turrets are appealing.  However, there is a weight penalty to that.  For me, that was not worth it.  I ahve 5-25x56 and 7-35x Tangents and those toolless turrets are spectacular.  However, in a 3-15x50, I am quit ecomfortable with simpler 6mrad per turn knobs on the TT315M.

 

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A morning with a chronograph

When I tell people that I am using Hornady's factory ammo for matches, I get occasionally surprised looks.  Occasionally.  Most of the time, I get fairly condescending looks from handloaders who would not let a factory round pollute the chambers of their precision rifles if their lives depended on it.

To be fair, if I had the time, I might be reloading as well.  I might be able to do better than modern factory ammo, but the truth is that I am not a quarter MOA shooter, so a lot of that would be lost on me.  The UKD matches I fidn most interesting can be done by a competent shooter with a 1MOA gun.  I am working on that first part.  I reload when I have to, but if I can get factory ammo that's not outrageously expensive and that shoots well, I will go with that every time.

I looked around and realized that I have about 600 rounds of Hornady 147gr 6.5CM factory ammo from two lots.  400 rounds from one that I will use during the match later this month.  The remainder I will likely use up practicing prior to that.

I woke up early and snuck out to the range while my family was still asleep earlier today.

I set up in the 100 yard tunnel we have.  I took my four shots to zero with the lot I plan to use for the match.  Then I fired a six shot ~0.7MOA group.  That's accurate enough for my purposes.

Here are the chronograph results:

It is slow, but accurate and consistent.

Then I shot a five round group of Hornady 147gr ammo from the other lot.

Both of those lots are not too shabby for factory ammo.  POI was within 0.2mrad between the two lots, all laterally.  

 

I had some other ammo on hand, so I fired two five shot groups with Berger 144gr hybrid target ammo and Sako TRG 136gr.

Here is what I got for five rounds of Berger:

That's not a ton of statistics, but it is a data point.  The group was ~1.1MOA

 

Here the data for the Sako TRG 136gr ammo:

This ammo showed some mild pressure signs, but not too significant.  

Again, this is not a ton of data, but Hornady is looking pretty decent here.

I'll repeat the zero retention and consistency tests a couple more times between now and June 18th when we head to Wyoming.

I might pick up a couple more boxes of Hornady 147gr from a different lot to get some more data.

More to come.

 

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