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ATHLON Midas CF Tripods

This year’s SHOT show was a first in many ways: first since COVID started, first time several of companies I intend to visit were not there and first time I managed to convince my brother to come along with me. Some years ago I managed to get him involved with this shooting hobby of mine, so it seemed like SHOT show would be of interest to him. Naturally, I had a more selfish purpose in mind: he is a better photographer than I am and I wanted better pictures. Perhaps, because we were both there, we ended up spending a lot of time looking at different tripods, including the new line of carbon fiber designs from Athlon. Two of those tripods showed up on my doorstep as I was heading to the airport for a work trip. It seemed only natural to turn them over to my brother for the initial look since I wasn’t around anyway. He tends to look at tripods primarily from a photography oriented standpoint, so I figured that’s a good start. I spend more time shooting guns off of tripods than cameras, so I will be adding that angle later on. I am better familiar with the various tripods out there used for precision shooting and based on the somewhat cursory look I have taken so far, Athlon is offering one hell of a value. The tripod looks to be made by the same OEM (at least on the surface of it) that makes Leofoto and Vortex Radian tripods. However, given everything Athlon bundles with theirs, they are undercutting the competition by $300-$500 depending on where you look. I'll dish out some abuse and see how they hold up, but as far as value goes, I am really impressed with what I have seen with these so far.
After this initial look, my brother held onto the CF29, while I took the CF40. We'll spend some time abusing them and if nothing breaks, we'll switch the tripods around and see if our impressions match up.

Everything further down is written by my brother. He is a member here, so if you have any specific questions, tag @Inekk

Athlon Midas carbon fiber tripods introduced this year come in four different sizes of leg diameters from 29mm to 40mm. We decided to look at the smallest ( Athlon Midas CF29 https://bit.ly/39LLDNr ) and the largest of the four ( Athlon Midas CF40 https://bit.ly/3KWxM3u ). Both models look similar enough from 100 yards away, and only when you put them side-by-side the beefiness larger model is evident. CF29 maximum height is 65” and CF40 maximum height is 71”. The other differing components besides the size of the legs are the plate, and the ball head. The larger model has 100mm base, and the smaller has 75mm base. The larger model has straight leveling base tensioner handle, while the smaller one has a triangular tensioning nob.

Both tripods came with:
a COMPLETE set of every imaginable soft gear
TWO options for the base: simple flat base with a hook on the bottom and bowl leveling base with tensioner handle. Quick web search demonstrates that adding bowl leveler easily adds about $200 to the price of the tripod, and Athlon includes them as standard equipment.
A very functional carrying bag with two handles and a permanently attached adjustable shoulder strap.
A detachable shoulder strap that can be attached to the tripod itself.
Leg spikes with three allen wrenches are in the side pocket along with the manual. These can replace the rubber feet if you are taking your tripod into the rough terrain.
Removable cloth wraps with molle system on two of the legs. At first it’s confusing, until you locate a shoulder pad that can be attached to those specifically to move your entire set up without even having to close the legs!
The last but not the least soft accessory is a Velcro-attached tripod hammock.

None of these are typically included in a standard package of tripods of comparable size. Finding everything included in one reasonable price, makes it a bargain for any photographer/shooter who needs a steady set of legs for long telephoto work.

If one is looking for a tripod for photography work only, the 29mm version would be more than adequate. Athlon rates CF 29 model for up to 33lbs and CF40 model up to 88lbs. Naturally, it comes with added weight. CF29 weighs only 5.5lbs, while CF40 weighs nearly 3lbs more (8.4lbs). My prediction is that CF29 can support more. I currently weigh 220lbs, and CF40 didn’t even flinch when I hang from it while legs are completely extended.

Both tripods come with an Athlon branded ball heads. Both are massive and have three knobs: one massive knob on one side and two smaller knobs on the other side. The large knob is to adjust/lock the movement of the ball. The smaller on the bottom is to lock/unlock the fluid panning of the ball head. The smaller know slightly above is called “Friction Control”. I only needed to adjust the friction control when I had the largest lens with gimbal adapter (Induro GHBA). This accessory allows using the usual ball head with very large telephoto lenses and locking the ball head down is paramount to avoid a catastrophe. Both ball heads (from CF29 and CF40) have no problems with this task.

The bowl tensioners are not exactly the same on these two models. CF 29 has triangular knob, as you can see in the picture below. CF40 has a longer straight handle instead of a knob. These are all the hardware accessories: the ball head, the Arca-Swiss plate, the bowl with bowl tensioner, and a flat plate with a hook. You can save a bit of weight and use a flat plate with a hook, or opt for a greater adjustability and use the bowl with the tensioner. CF29 comes with 75mm bowl. CF 40 comes with 100mm bowl.
The legs have standard three angles. The black spacer that allows you to change the angles has Athlon logo on it. This worked fine, but this assembly seemed like the “flimsiest” part of the tripod.

There are two bubble levels: one in the base of the legs and one in the clamp of the ball head. Surprisingly the one that came with the CF29 ball head fell out when we were taking it out from the package for the very first time! We were able to find it and a drop of general-purpose glue solved the issue. We looked on the bottom, and there was some glue there, but it clearly failed at the manufacturing. No problems popped up since we fixed it.

Here you can see the angle that you can adjust the bowl by itself. I found it useful in the field. The least precise way to adjust the level of the base of the legs is to manipulate the length of the legs. One can’t help it if you on a slope, but I always to try to minimize these adjustments. The legs lock with a common twist lock, not a clamp. You can’t really “see” if you forgot to lock one segment or not. I personally prefer the clamps for that reason, but these are not an option in Athlon line up. To be fair, many people prefer the twist locks because of lower profile, and less chance of catching on things, be that closing, straps or vegetation.

Changing from flat base to bowl with tensioner is very easy. Just relax the clamp, push the safety button (blue arrow) and pull out. I found that if the clamp is not tightened after the replacement, the safety button will still prevent the bowl or the flat plate from falling out, but it would not be held firmly enough for long exposure photography.

This is the lowest angle to bring the base down to the ground. CF29’s lowest height is 9”. CF40’s lowest height is 10”

There is a little height difference between CF29 and CF40
The height of the tripod is evident here. The person holding it here is 6’1” tall. Unless you are over 6’4” there is very little chance that you would ever need to extend the legs of either tripod fully.

The shoulder pad installed allows one to move the whole set up from place to place without changing any angles, legs, etc.

Interestingly the quality of the accessories was not the same between two tripods. Some of the stitching of the shoulder pad in Midas CF40 model is suboptimal. Midas CF29 came completely fine, with no hanging threads, and perfectly straight suturing lines.

Preliminary Conclusion:

If I google “what is the heaviest photography lens?”, there are some incredible monsters out there such as Sigma-300-800mm-Ultra-Telephoto-Cameras at 11lbs for $8K. CF29 would handle it easily with even the largest DSLR attached.
On the other hand Canon 1200mm f/5.6 weighs 36 lbs. would be too heavy for CF29, and it would only set you back about $80,000.
And finally, Sigma 200-500mm f/2.8, that exceeds CF29 weight limit at 35 lbs. This green monster would set you back about $30,000. I have never seen this lens in real life, but I guess if you can justify spending that kind of money for your photography the extra $300 and extra 3lbs of weight of CF40 would not be a problem for you!

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SCR2 Mil Reticle in Burris XTR3i 3.3-18x50

As I work through the several 50m crossover scopes I have here, one of the things that becomes clearly apparent is how it is entirely feasible to have rather differing approaches to making a crossover scope.
One of the biggest differences is the treatment of the reticles.
Burris' XTR3i unabashedly approaches it from a precision/competition side of things. SCR2 Mil reticle is relatively thin, full featured and just excellent for shooting plates and other smallish targets.
That means all on its own, it is not great on low powers, especially as you get below ~6x.
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The whole thing really works quite well.
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Here is a look through the Acura 5-25x50 scope from Revic. https://alnk.to/gp27CYM
The reticle they have in there is what is probably the best general purpose hunting reticle on the market today and the scope itself is rather nice.
It is a bit heavier than I'd like and it is in MOA. Beyond that, I am having a hard time finding something to complain about.
Now that I think about it, the one other reticle that is conceptually similar to the RH2 is Burris' 3PW-MOA in their 2.5-12x42 Veracity PH scope. That scope is normally about $1100, but EO has it for $799 at the moment for some reason https://alnk.to/h6H9yhT
That smallest of the Veracity PH scopes is another design that should be much better known than it is.
Same goes for the Revic Acura. While Revic's smart scope is well known, the more conventional Acura barely gets any mention. That's unfortunate. It is a truly excellent design.

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Looking at Telson's PH2 Reticle

Telson is a new optics company out of Canada. I've talked about them a bit in the past. It is one of the several companies I occasionally provide input to, mostly when it comes to reticles.
The way the reticle design process went with Telson, was a little different that what I normally do. I did not just hand them over a reticle drawing. These guys are shooters and I wanted to try a more collaborative process. One of the principles at Telson, Jared, would do an iteration and send it to me. I'd go over it in some detail, mark it up and send it back to him. Then, we would get on a video conference call and hash it out.
Lather, rinse, repeat.
In the grand scheme of things, these are not my reticles. These are Telson's reticles, with me being the sounding board and providing some pointed advice.
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6 ARC MiniFix is Finally All Put Together

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President's Day Deals

The discount industry never sleeps. I do not know why we have President's Day. All I know is that if you need to buy a mattress, this is the day.

Apparently, if you want to buy an optic or a firearm, it is not a bad day either.

Eurooptics has a 20% discount on some Vortex products and the more usual 15% on most others. The 20% requires a VTXPRES20 discount code and, apparently, applies to these items: https://alnk.to/31sCKyY

Several of the products I routinely recommend are in there Razor Gen3 6-36x56, UH-1 Gen2 and Venom 5-25x56, for example.

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The Copper Creek Cartridge Experience
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Like any self respecting firearm enthusiast I always have some number of projects going on concurrently.  One of them is a fast twist 22-250 bolt gun.  

Every once in a while Tikka makes a run of 22-250 T3x rifles with 1-8” twist barrel and I happen to have one.  That dramatically changes the varminty character of the 22-250. With a modern 80gr bullet, it is a nicely viable hunting rifle for small and medium game (just about perfect for pronghorn).  It is also a very capable long range number.  At the altitude where I live, it does not go subsonic until you get to about 1400 yards.

1-8” twist will not stabilize the heaviest available 22 bullets, but works well enough for anything up to about 80grains, depending on the bullet construction.

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Thinking About Open Light and Factory
NRL Hunter

Since my ultimate goal with competition is to shoot NRL Hunter matches in an Open Light class (to more closely resemble the rifles I actually hunt with), I set up my 308Win Fix and 6.5PRC Stag Pursuit for Open Light and Factory respectively.
I have a lot more 308Win ammo than 6.5CM anyway, so that is the rifle I prefer to practice with.

Now that I have a little time before the next Hunter match, I decided to see if I can properly control the muzzle rise with the lighter rifles.  To that extent, I went and sighted them in before proceeding with shooting at various plates mostly between 500 and 600 yards to see if I can control the  muzzle well enough to spot my misses.

The wind was pretty sporting and inconsistent today.  On top of that, I decided to use the lightweight pint-sized gamechanger bag to add to the challenge.  While we were at it, I also tested the new tripod plate from Sunway photo.  I generally like it, but it needs to be a bit wider for shooting purposes.  It is great for holding binos and a wind meter.

Here is how the bag fits on it:

Not bad, but a little more width would help.  The tripod is Field Optics Research's Dome Top Hunter 32.

The 308 Fix is a known quantity since I have talked about it quite a lot in the past.  In this iteration, I have it set up with Tangent Theta 5-25x56 in an Aadmount. 

The muzzle device is Q's Bottle Rocket on top of a Cherry Bomb.  

The bipod is Gunwerks' Elevate.

Rather amazingly, the balance on this thing is just right as is.

However, I must have made a miscalculation somewhere because I thought this would weigh just a hair below 12lbs.  It weighed in at exactly 11lbs and based on the Arizona match, my scales measure a little higher than the ones they used over there (about 5 ounce difference for my 6.5CM gun).

Despite that, I had no real issues controlling the muzzle rise with this setup.  I was able to comfortably spot my shots and see trace as long as I was properly square behind the rifle.  Interestingly, at this weight, it is something I might actually hunt with, but a lighter scope might not be a bad idea.

This also means that I have enough weight budget to use Q's Trash Panda suppressor instead of the Bottle Rocket brake.  While the brake is not obnoxiously loud, I do prefer to run with a suppressor when possible, so I will try that next.  

With the 6.5PRC, I know for a fact that without a decent brake, I could not spot my own shots, so I have Area 419's titanium Hellfire brake on it.  This was my first time shooting with it.

It was substantially loud, but not as obnoxious as some competition brakes I have seen.  More importantly, muzzle rise was minimal at most.  I doubled up on the hearing protection, but the rifle became impressively more mild mannered.  Again, shooting standing off of a tripod in the wind, I had not problem at all spotting my own shots and watching trace when shooting a bit further out.

The rifle is Stag Pursuit in 6.5PRC

The scope is Vortex Razor HD-LHT 4.5-22x50 in Talley MSR rings (the lightest 30mm rings I had on hand).

The bipod is Gunwerks' Elevate.

As shown, the rifle clocked in at 11.7lbs on my scales.  I am inclined to not mess with it too much, but if it comes to that, I can mount a somewhat heavier scope without too much trouble, but I am inclined to let it be.

I did a good number of dry presses and live fire with both rifles.  One thing that surprised me a little was that the Fix had a smaller wobble zone than the Pursuit.  I think I can attribute that to the balance point on the Fix being a little further forward, but some experimentation is in order.

I was definitely shooting better with the Fix, despite the Pursuit being chmabered for a much flatter cartridge.  Perhaps, a heavier bipod will shift the balance point sufficiently.

That is one of the advantages of the Fix design: the buttstock, while sturdy and comfortable, is so light that it is very easy to balance.  Pursuit's beefy buttstock while comfortable, could use some weight cutting.  If I want to ever use this rifle for NRL Hunter's Factory division, I can not make any mods, so I'll do with what I have.  If my arithmetic is correct, I could probably get a lightweight Ckye-pod to shift the weight a little forward.

With all that, I am not sure how I feel about trying to game this too much.  For now, I'll just shoot the rifle as is and see if I can train my way out of this wobble zone issue with some deliberate practice.

I have to admit that Area 419's muzzle brake is pretty impressive.  The rifle is now extremely soft shooting and the muzzle stays down.

The next step for the 6.5PRC is to either buy or work-up some proper match ammo.  All I have is Hornady's 143gr ELD-X which shoots pretty well in this gun, but isn't match ammo.

Hornady loads their 147gr ELDM in 6.5PRC, so that is probably the first option to try.  Looking at the costs, this might be one of the few calibers I have to reload for.

If I were to go compete with a sub-12lbs rifle today, I think I would still take the 308 Fix despite all the ballistic disadvantages.  It is probably just the familiarity factor, but I simply shoot that rifle better.  In the future... we'll see how it goes.

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Trident Barrel
by X2 Devgroup

At this point, I do not remember any more how I stumbled on this barrel, but it is not unusual for me to be looking for relatively random things while I can't sleep at night.
Then again, given how much time I spend at the range, looking at different AR barrels is not all that random.
My take on AR-15s is that they are supposed to be lightweight and accurate enough to reach to the outer limits of the capability envelope of whatever they happened to be chambered for.  I know they are plenty of people out there with freakishly accurate AR-15s that are set up with thick barrel.  They are impressively consistent, but a heavy AR-15 sorta defeats the purpose of an AR-15 to me.
Then again, I do have a couple of moderately heavy small frame AR variants.  One is built around an 18" 223Wylde WOA barrel and the other around a 22" Satern 224 Valkyrie barrel.  I'll talk about those builds in due time and I enjoy shooting both of those rifles quite a bit.  However, I view them as practice rifles since 5.56 and 224V are nice practice rounds for longer range stuff and it is easier to balance heavy barrel rifles for shooting off bags.
Most of my ARs are a lot lighter than that and they are built around 16" barrels of moderate weight.
Ideally, I want this rifle to weigh no more than 8lbs with a scope, typically an LPVO of some sort.  This is the type of rifle I expect to be equally comfortable doing timed short range drills and shooting plates between 600 and 800 yards (with appropriate ammo).
Over the years, you have seen pictures of several of these variants.  One of my favourites is built around a 16" Proof Research carbon fiber barrel.  That's the AR in this video:


I have another one built around an experimental 16" barrel that is sleeved in AlSiC, a rather exotic material.  That way of making barrels did not go into production, unfortunately.  It is not the most intrinsically accurate barrel I have, but it is very well behaved when hot.
Naturally, I also have a couple that simply have thin, near-pencil profiles.
The basic problem with most of the light weight barrels I have seen to date, is what happens when the barrel heats up.  Most barrels end up with substantially larger groups when hot, which is OK.  However, quite a few of them end up with the group centroid also changing, sometimes significantly, which is not OK.
That is an especially commo problem with carbon fiber wrapped barrels.  Christensen barrels are famous for their wandering zero.  Proof Research barrels seem to be better and the two I have do not wander around when warmed up.  However, it appears that some do.  With carbon fiber wrapped barrels I tested, Proof was the best, but it has been a little while since I experimented with it.  More recently, I have heard from others that Helix6 and Bartlein barrels are more consistent, but heavier. 

Most lightweight barrels designed for light weight have an odd (to me) profile with too much metal removed by the chamber.  Some years ago, Adams Arms had their own pencil profile barrel that left a lot more metal near the chamber, then went thing quickly.  The way Q does their light weight barrel is also done with heat distribution in mind.  Their barrel leave a lot of metal near the chamber, then run what is essentially a straight taper.

All this barrel research is probably how I stumbled onto the Trident Barrel from X2 Devgroup https://x2devgroup.com/trident-barrel/

It has very deep flutes which dramatically cuts weight.  It is about five ounces lighter than my carbon fiber Proof barrel of the same length.  Fluting can often cause problems when not properly stress relieved, but it seemed like they were paying attention to this kind of stuff and taking care to not introduce stress.  After digging through my memory banks a little, I remembered that a know someone at that company.  It was time to pick his brain.  He is a pretty serious shooter, and he was happy with these barrels.  Then he said something that made me perk up and pay attention.  He talked about vibration and how these barrels felt "dead".  That is a lot of the same verbiage I hear about structured barrels from TacomHQ.  Once my interest was properly peaked, I looked around, relaized I have enough spare parts to build an upper and that I have a built up AR-15 lower that is not attached to anything.

Once the barrel got here, I gave it a careful look.  In terms of the quality and consistency of the machining, it looked very good.  Those are some seriously deep flutes though.

The barrel, somewhat unusually, is dimpled for both of the gasblock screws and in a way that will work with the majority of gas blocks out there.

I had an Aero upper and an Aero handguard of relatively ghastly color, that probably explains why it was heavily discounted.  Since I fully expect it to be scratched up and covered by dust before too long, I could not care less.

I plan to run it with and without a suppressor, so I added Q's Cherry Bomb compensator to it.  As this is written, I have not fired it yet, but will shotly.  After some consideration, I decided to mount March's excellent 1.5-15x42 MPVO on it. https://alnk.to/b7zh0YQ  That is still the purest expresssion of the MPVO concept on the market today, so I thought it was appropriate.  Depending on how it performs, March may or may not stay on there permanently.  However, for initial break in, long range practice and accuracy evaluation, it knocks the socks off of any and every LPVO ever made.

Most AR-15s are reasonably broken in somewhere between 200 and 500 rounds, so I am not going to stress about accuracy too much in the beginning.  I'll get it sighted in, do some positional shooting and keep an eye on whether there is any abnormal behavious.

The rifle ended up weighing a bit under 6lbs without optics and a bit under 8lbs with March 1.5-15x42 in Burris XTR Signature rings. https://alnk.to/4MBZHCL The suppressor will push it a hair over 8lbs, but that's close enough.  With the bipod as pictured it just under 9lbs.  The bipod is not going to be on there permanently.  If I have to choose between a suppressor and a bipod for weight reasons, Jumbo Shrimp it is  https://alnk.to/880ol8Y

Eventually, I will likely switch to a lighter LPVO on this gun since I prefer the March on a hunting rifle, but in the meantime, configuration-wise, it is a near perfect SPR.

The nice thing about all these AR variants is how easy they are to accessorize, but all those extra gadgets do add weight.  For example, if I throw Steiner's excellent C35 v2 clip-on on there, it is another pound. https://alnk.to/8iV9jU9

An offset red dot sight will not add much weight, but it still adds a little.  Same goes for the light/laser (I think I have an extra CMR-301 https://alnk.to/880olc5 somewhere here that I can use.  It is not super fancy, but it works).

Before it is all said and done, if I keep everything on there, I will end up with am 11.5 to 12 lbs gun.  It sounds like a lot and it is.  However, if I did not start with a sub-6lbs gun before everything that I plan to latch onto it, we'd be talking about a 15lbs setup.  That's why I want a truly accurate sub-6lbs AR-15 and that is why I am always on this "holy grail" barrel search.

Stay tuned for the updates as I test this thing.

 

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