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HET7: US Optics FDN-17x 3.2-17x50

As I continue to go through the individual write-ups for the sopes in this comparison, it is time to re-visit US Optics FDN-17x and its strengths and weaknesses.
I have talked about this scope at length in the past, so this should be a refresher of sorts. Of the scopes I have in this comparison, optically, Steiner, S&B and US Optics are a little bit weaker overall than TT, ZCO, March and Zeiss. However, they are weaker for different reasons. Steiner has issues on high magnification and with FOV. S&B is actually pretty well balanced, but there are obvious compromises made to keep it short (remarkably few compromises, to be honest). FDN17x has an entirely different problem: tunneling on low magnification.
Since US Optics changed ownership and moved across the country, their products went through a few changes. Mechanically, it appears to be a very different scope from the original USO designs and, frankly, that’s not a bad thing. Original USOs were essentially hand built custom scopes and there was so much variance scope to scope that I sorta stopped looking at them. Fast forward a few years and these are proper production scopes with apparently reworked mechanics. The optical system has not been redesigned, but the new mechanics seem to have made it consistent. These are nice mechanics too. The new EREK elevation turret is one of my favourite designs out right now: it is a larger diameter, but comparatively low profile turret. The click feel is sorta unique. Because the turret is of a pretty large diameter, the click spacing is very good, but the clicks are pretty quiet. They are nicely tactile though. It is very difficult to describe the feel. Some turrets out there are “thunky” and some are “clicky”. The latter are the louder ones with high pitched sound. The EREK knob is definitely the quieter “thunky” variety.
Windage turret is a bit of a mixed bag for me. It is covered, which I like, but it sticks out a bit too far. I would have preferred something lower profile.
Side focus is very easy to use and since I have been torturing this scope for a while, it did develop a little bit of hysteresis, but nothing to get excited about. That’s a pretty normal thing.
Reticle illumination is of a push-button variety that generally leaves me cold, but it works.
Magnification ring is one of the better designs here since it is rather large and very easy to grab without needing a cat tail. Resistance is also perfectly calibrated.
Going back to the optics, remember I mentioned that the optical system does not appear to have been reworked? That manifests itself in two ways: the scope is quite long and some of the internal optical elements are of a rather moderate diameter resulting in tunneling on low magnification. What tunneling means in this case is that as you go down to lower magnifications, at some point the FOV stops getting wider. Instead, the image circle gets smaller. In practical terms, that means that with the FDN 17x, the useful magnification range is from about 4.5x to 17x. Below 4.5x you are not really getting any more FOV. Now, that does not mean that lower magnification are completely useless. However, their only real utility that I can think of is when shooting from very unstable positions. In those cases, lower magnification helps with perceiving as little tremor as possible. I find it to be very helpful when shooting standing, but that, admittedly, is not a hugely common use for precision scopes. I am definitely in a minority here in that I shoot offhand quite a lot with pretty much every gun I have (ever since I discovered how terrible I am at it).

Now, once you get above that ~4.5x magnification, the FOV is the widest here and the eyepiece is nicely forgiving. It is a very easy scope to get behind. Eyerelief is a little shorter than other scopes in this comparison, so this is not the scope I would put onto an unbraked 8lbs 338 Lapua. For normal rifles, however, it works really well. It has spent time on everything from rimfires to my rather potent muzzleloader (275gr bullet at a bit over 2400fps) and it never came close to giving me a black eye.
Image quality, is not quite as good as ZCO or Tangent, but it clearly belongs in this group and I did not see any fading or performance drop at high mag. It does not quite have the resolution of ZCO or Zeiss. It does not quite have the micro contrast of the Tangent, but it is not far off from either. It has the widest FOV and it costs a good bit less. Honestly, it is a pretty easy scope to recommend. There are compromises, as with anything, but I can work around them quite easily.

Arguably the biggest achilles heel of the FDN17x optically, aside from tunneling, is flare control. It is better than on US Optics scopes of a decade ago, but I still see more artefacts here than with several more modern designs. Most of them do go away if you use a sunshade, but that makes an already really long scope longer yet.

Lastly, let’s touch on the reticle which, in this case is the JVCR. It is excellent. It is sort of a sparse tree design that looks to give you a tree reticle with a “less is more” approach. It does not give me all the holds that I like to have, but I would much rather have this than the messiness of H59 or Tremor3. Another interesting thing is that the reticle lines of the JVCR design are notably thicker than those of other reticles in this comparison. This is easily the best one I have seen lately for aging eyes and very appealing overall. It is a very easy reticle to acquire and keep on target. I did not find the somewhat thicker lines to obscure the target in any sort of objectionable way.

I said earlier that this is an easy scope to recommend. Let’s flesh that out a little. What is the ideal use case for this? Well, if you are looking for an absolute alpha level scope, but you do not want to step up to the $4k price range, this should be on your list. Here is the compromise: if you are planning to run it with a clip-on where lower magnification and short length make a difference there are better options. The overall adjustment range is respectable, but not huge. This is not an ELR scope. Generally, aside from that, overall length and low magnification performance, there is really little to complain about.
https://bit.ly/3tRx53g or https://bit.ly/3Mc5anW

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5x Prismatic Wrap-up

This is not the end of my commentary on 5x prismatics, but it is a wrap for an unintentionally very long term project I had. I spent an unhealthy amount of time evaluating these four prismatic riflescopes:
Element Immersive 5x30 https://alnk.to/gzXEPUr
Swampfox Sabre 5x36 https://alnk.to/aAPTubq
Vortex Spitfire Gen2 5x https://alnk.to/3co4hVD
Primary Arms SLx 5x https://alnk.to/2jOhnT7

Two are large prism designs. Two are small prism designs.

The order in which I list them above corresponds to the image quality, from best to worst, although there isn't a ton of difference between SLx and Spitfire Gen2. Purely on the merits of resolution, Sabre is comparable to them as well, but much wider FOV and forgiving eyebox does put it a step above in terms of performance (at the expense of about a pound of weight). Element Immersive 5x30 is a different beast optically and it should be at a higher price at which it sells. It resolves better, has higher contrast and widest FOV of the bunch. Side-focus adds ...

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Blast From The Past: Millett ZoomDot RDS

I dug this thing up purely by accident. It has been a long time since I used it for anything, but I am thinking I should, especially as I work on a magnifier video.

MIllet's ZoomDot was a unique red dot sight that had auto brightness and variable dot size from 1MOA to 10MOA.

Early ones, like mine, were made in the US. Millett had some aspirations of selling these to the US military.

I do not think they got very far, then the company was bought by Bushnell and essentially shut down after a little bit. At some point, the manufacturing for the ZoomDot moved to China and it was not really the same.

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Scout Scopes: Burris 2.75x20

Scout scopes are almost like a forgotten art form these days. There is an occasional discussion either on how they are the greatest thing since sliced bread because 1) THE colonel said so 2) if you do not think they are, refer to rule number 1.
Alternatively, the prevailing thought is that they are completely useless and if LPVOs existed in Jeff Cooper's time, there would never be such a thing as scout scopes.
The truth, as is usually the case, resides somewhere in the middle.
Scout scopes do have their place, but they are definitely a niche product. It is, however, an interesting niche.
Scout scope pickings are relatively slim in terms of what's on offer.
Leupold makes a 1.5-4x28 https://alnk.to/gKSibYj
Burris makes a 2-7x32 and 2.75x20
Vortex has a 2-7x32 in the Crossfire line
There are also a few out there from UTG, Aimsports, etc.

I strongly lean toward compact fixed power designs, so Burris 2.75x20 https://alnk.to/cSJCBQx is probably my favourite and is the subject of this ...

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Is it possible to integrate functions of impact 4000 into/with a scope cam system with a ocular side display, without running into patent issue?

Hey Ilya,
This may be a dumb question but is the quality control of leica binoculars and other sport optics are expectably worse compared to their photography counterparts?
I’m only asking since I have lots of excellent cameras and lenses from them and had never had any complaints for the 3 shelves of lenses I owned but the first and only binoculars I got from them seems to have a sizeable imperfection in the case of my Geovid AB+ It’s a wonderful piece of equipment throughout its range of utility and optical clarity.
However, I’m not sure if I’m cherry picking like with photography and cinematography gears but I can’t help to notice there’s a tiny hair/ crack/ glue flake in the edge of the 10 O’clock area in the right tube and it appears to be around 5mm when looking down the binos.
In photography world inperfections like this probably warrant a trip back to the factory; but I assume that similar imperfections in sporting optics doesn’t prevent it from fulfilling its ...

BOTC prizes raffle

As I mentioned yesterday, Ethan and I picked up a couple of items off of the prize table at Burris Optics Team Challenge, which I will be raffling off.

Both prizes were provided by Burris for the prize table which we should all appreciate. Without sponsors, shooting sports would not develop the way they have.

1) $2000 off MSRP certificate for Burris XTR PS 5.5-30x56. This was Ethan's pick, so you can say this is courtesy of Burris and Q.

2) Burris Fastfire 4 was my pick. I have one of these and like it. I've got mine set up as an offset RDS on a nice DMR-ish rifle.

If you would like to be a part of this raffle, please send me an email at

[email protected]

Make sure the email has your name and whether you are going for the XTR PS certificate or Fastfire 4. You can not go for both.

Is anyone excluded from this raffle? yes. Youtubers and influencers. There are a few on this email list and, for the same reason why I think it is inappropriate for me to take anything ...

A morning with a chronograph

When I tell people that I am using Hornady's factory ammo for matches, I get occasionally surprised looks.  Occasionally.  Most of the time, I get fairly condescending looks from handloaders who would not let a factory round pollute the chambers of their precision rifles if their lives depended on it.

To be fair, if I had the time, I might be reloading as well.  I might be able to do better than modern factory ammo, but the truth is that I am not a quarter MOA shooter, so a lot of that would be lost on me.  The UKD matches I fidn most interesting can be done by a competent shooter with a 1MOA gun.  I am working on that first part.  I reload when I have to, but if I can get factory ammo that's not outrageously expensive and that shoots well, I will go with that every time.

I looked around and realized that I have about 600 rounds of Hornady 147gr 6.5CM factory ammo from two lots.  400 rounds from one that I will use during the match later this month.  The remainder I will likely use up practicing prior to that.

I woke up early and snuck out to the range while my family was still asleep earlier today.

I set up in the 100 yard tunnel we have.  I took my four shots to zero with the lot I plan to use for the match.  Then I fired a six shot ~0.7MOA group.  That's accurate enough for my purposes.

Here are the chronograph results:

It is slow, but accurate and consistent.

Then I shot a five round group of Hornady 147gr ammo from the other lot.

Both of those lots are not too shabby for factory ammo.  POI was within 0.2mrad between the two lots, all laterally.  

 

I had some other ammo on hand, so I fired two five shot groups with Berger 144gr hybrid target ammo and Sako TRG 136gr.

Here is what I got for five rounds of Berger:

That's not a ton of statistics, but it is a data point.  The group was ~1.1MOA

 

Here the data for the Sako TRG 136gr ammo:

This ammo showed some mild pressure signs, but not too significant.  

Again, this is not a ton of data, but Hornady is looking pretty decent here.

I'll repeat the zero retention and consistency tests a couple more times between now and June 18th when we head to Wyoming.

I might pick up a couple more boxes of Hornady 147gr from a different lot to get some more data.

More to come.

 

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First PRS Match is behind me
High Noon at Del Norte

My first PRS match is officially behind me.  It was, I think an officially sanctioned regional PRS match at the shooting range called Del Norte about an hour from me (just east of Rio Rancho).
As I discussed previously, rather than using the rifle I originally prepared for it, I ended up having to change gears at the last moment and slapping a 5-25x56 Tangent on my daughter's 6ARC MiniFIx.  A lightweight 16" Proof barreled 6ARC is not an ideal set up for PRS competition, but, in the grand scheme of things, the rifle did hot hold me back at all.  I had a couple of weights that fit the Q-cert handguard, so I slapped them on there as well, which got the rifle to right around 12lbs.  The balance point was almost where I want it, but not quite.  In all other ways, this was a very handy rifle to shoot.  I am actually thinking of getting a couple more weights that I can stack on it (Sawtooth weights are stackable), so that I can shoot some future local matches with it.  It shoots Hornady's Black 105gr ammo very well (it also shoots 108gr ELD-M and 103gr ELD-X well, but I had a larger supply of Hornady Black ammo on hand).

It chrono'ed pretty consistently for factory ammo.  Here are the measurements for a 20 shot group.

If I were to take out the fastest shot, SD drops down to 8fps.  

In terms of wind performance, it is a 5mph rifle, so slightly better than the 308 ammo I was going to use originally, but not as good as the 6.5CM that was my intended match rifle for this year (we make plans, but then life happens).

I do have to admit that I really enjoyed shooting the match with the MiniFix.  So much so, that I am seriously thinking of building another one for myself, since this rifle is technically my daughter's.

The closest shot we had was a bit over a couple of hundred yards.  The furthest was around 1150.  That was a bit challenging for the 16" barreled 6ARC, especially since the terrain there is tricky and wind is doing strange things.  Morning was relatively quiet wind-wise, but then the wind becamse gusty with changing directions.

It was a one day match with about 30 shooters (six squads) and ten stages.  The 17 year old kid who won the match was in my squad with his dad.  Apparently he is on the US team, so it should not be surrpising that he won.  He was very good.

Overall level of the shooters in the match was quite good.  I really was not sure what to expect.  Somewhat paradoxically, the only matches that I have shot in so far are the much larger two day NRL Hunter matches.  In those, I am just out of the bottom third in terms of skill level.  In this match, it was pretty much in the same spot, I think.  

The terrain was a little bit like Cameo, I think (I have been there, but not shot there), with some angle changes and sufficient vegetation to make getting on target occasionally troublesome. 

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Getting back on the horse, little by little

My original plan was to do a livestream on Thursday of this week, but I think I'll push it out to next week.  A few days at home is doing wonders for my recovery, but my voice is still not quite there.  I do not think any of you are looking to listen to me cough for two hours straight.

Also, I am going to try to shoot that local PRS match this coming Saturday, so doign a livestream next week after the match is likely to be more productive.  It is my first one, so I fully expect that I will screw it all up.  It should be a good learning experience.  I do not have a dedicated PRS rifle and I am not looking to set one up jsut yet.  If I like it, I'll put something together, but as far as competition goes, my focus is really on UKD matches like NRL Hunter, Competition Dynamics, etc.  My 6.5CM is not back yet, so I'll just shoot it with my 308 FIx.  It is not ideal, but it will do just fine for my purposes.  I am in no danger of winning anything either way and this will stress my ability to read wind.  A secondary purpse here is that I am not 100% certain what rifle I will take on a mule deer hunt with later this year, but it will be either something new to test or this 308.  Now that I think about it, the 308 is going with me regardless either as a primary rifle or as backup.  The rifle shoots, so if I miss, I know it is on me.

For the match, I have Burris XTR PS 5.5-30x56 scope on the 308 Fix.  I think the way they did the heads up display in these is a meaningful improvement over conventional riflescopes.

https://alnk.to/d3EjPHC or https://alnk.to/8iVRlGN

Optically, I think XTR Pro is a little better, but the EO integration in the XTR PS is, I think, in advantage.

In parallel, I am looking at the replacement AAC ammo (they replaced the faulty ammo and I have chrono results on it) and testing the optics of the 40mm scopes in parallel.

 

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