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Starter Precision Scope, Continued

Having covered some of the general considerations on choosing a starter precision scope, let's spend a couple of minutes on what configuration it should be.
Let's assume that you decided to spend a little money and that we have moved beyond the $300 range of SWFA fixed power scopes.
What should you be looking for?
Let's start with the magnification range: for PRS/NRL-type shooting, you will seldom, if ever, be below 8x or thereabouts. However, you are unlikely to use very high magnification with any regularity when actually shooting. It does come in useful when developing load and spotting for other people though. Some people shoot on max magnification most of the time, but they seem to be in the minority. The "classic" for lack of a better word configurations for this are 5-25x, 7-35x, 5-30x or thereabouts. Where do I fall on this? in a slightly different spot from what many seasoned competitors seem to do, so take it with a grain of salt. I really prefer to keep low end magnification at 5x or less because I spend a good amount of time shooting from wobbly-ass (technical term) positions. There are two reasons for that: I want to be ready for hunting when the animal invariable presents itself in the worst possible way and because I found that my prone/bench/barricade/tripod shooting got noticeably better when I started practicing sitting and standing with no or minimal support. I suspect that it has really forced me to focus on natural point of aim and perfect breathing/trigger synchronization. For these odd shooting positions, low magnification is the way to go (for me). High magnification seems to matter less for me than I expected, so anything 20x or above is sufficient. Often times 15x top end is sufficient. In practical terms, the goldilocks configuration for me is something like the Razor HD-LHT 4.5-22x50 https://bit.ly/3mbUNGs, although a big part of that is its light weight (think of it as a near ideal NRL Hunter scope). Somewhat heavier Element Nexus 5-20x50 is another good example of such a design https://bit.ly/3lz66qN. However, my precision rimfire rifle has the larger March 5-42x56 https://bit.ly/3wNfknM on it. Somewhat paradoxically, I often shoot at targets of very small angular size with the rimfire rifle and since I do so at closer distances, I can actually take advantage of high magnification without atmospherics getting in the way. However, I still have that 5x low end that is sufficiently low to give me a fairly steady image when shooting unsupported or with poor support. If you are building a larger/heavier rifle anyway, in the grand scheme of things, there is really little downside to a larger 56 mm scope that goes to 25x or higher. I have talked about these in the past and there is really a lot to choose from there. These are mostly Japanese-made designs and, ordinarily, I would just recommend to look at reticle options and go with the one that appeals most to you out of a variety of offerings from Vortex, Delta, Athlon, Trijicon, etc. Unfortunately, that is not always the best way to go with people new at this. They do not yet know which reticle works best for them. I used to lean toward suggesting they start with a simple-ish mil-scale reticle like March's FML-3 (I sorta designed it for that), Leupold PR-1, Leica's L-Ballistic, etc, but I changed my mind after going through this exercise with a few people. If you are trying to figure out how you prefer to shoot, the reticle and the turrets have to be able to support a variety of shooting preferences: dial everything, dial elevation/hold wind or hold everything. That means the reticle has to be a relatively uncomplicated tree-type design that gives you the right holds without being intimidating. That rules out Horus reticles right off hand, but leaves us with a variety of options: Vortex' XLR-2 and EBR-7C, Athlon's APRS6, Leupold's PR-2, etc. Any of these designs is sophisticated enough to to serve you for a long time and unobtrusive enough to not get in the way. Most importantly, after spending some time with one of these, you are likely to develop a good understanding of what works and what does not for the way you shoot. Given that, it is no wonder that I end up recommending Vortex Razor Gen2 4.5-27x56 to a lot of shooters. I am sure Razor Gen3 is not too far away, but the Gen2 has had such a lengthy and consistent track record and there are so many of these out there (I can't disclose the actual number, but I was SHOCKED when I figured out how many of these are out there) that it is hard to vote against that track record when making a recommendation for someone new to the sport. Add to that Vortex' stellar reputation for customer support and Gen2 4.5-27x56 with EBR-7C looks like a pretty safe recommendation https://bit.ly/3il7M7p With all that, EBR-7C is not my favourite reticle (I like XLR-2 in the HD-LHT a good bit more), while Athlon Cronus 4.5-29x56 comes with a cleaner looking APRS6 https://bit.ly/3FiYpxS Cronus does not quite have the length of the track record of the Razor Gen2, but this basic design has been around for quite some time in many different iterations and has proven robust. Athlon's factory support is also very good.
Lastly, it is worth mentioning Leupold's Mark5HD 5-25x56. I have really liked the Mark5HD series since it was introduced, but there were two things preventing me from recommending them more than I have been: reticle selection and upcharge for reticle illumination. Reticle selection, in some models, has been rectified with the introduction of the rather nice PR-1 and PR-2 designs, but the cost of illumination is still a problem. However, if you can get LE or military discount, the 5-25x56 with illuminated PR-1 reticle is very compelling https://bit.ly/3eevSNR It is a pretty nice scope as is, but Mil/LE discount really moves it to the forefront of the bang for the buck discussion.
Is reticle illumination important? opinions vary, but I like to have it largely because I spent quite a lot of time shooting on low magnification. For a scope of this type, I strongly recommend going with an FFP reticle and it will look fairly thin on low power. That is where I use reticle illumination the most. If that is not something important to you, the same Mark5 is nearly $600 less: https://bit.ly/33Fq51O
What other futures should you be looking at? If you are spending some money, elevation turret must have a zero stop. Locking elevation turret is nice to have, but not required. Zero stop, however, will make your life a lot easier. Windage turret should be either locking or covered. I seldom ever use it personally and I am always concerned that it will get inadvertently adjusted from zero.
Lastly, use a sunshade. Yes, it makes the scope longer, but in most situations, that is not an issue. Optically, there is never a good reason to leave the sunshade off the scope.
To summarize all this: when advising new shooters, I am looking for track record and versatility above all else. A good way to think about it is that I am not looking for a solution that will make your existing skills shine brightest. I am looking for a solution that will let you develop those skills.

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Vortex Defender XL Green

This is the second time Vortex' Defender XL crosses my path. I was very impressed with the original red dot version, so I was curious to see how the one with the green dot works for my eyes.
To get the details, see the attached video.
The cliff's notes version is that I am just as impressed with this one. In terms of collimation quality and parallax control, it is quite exceptional.
https://alnk.to/881BEV1

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Primary Arms HTX-1 US Made red dot sight

I've had this RDS for a bit over two months now and I am beyond pleased with it.
Despite some spirited abuse, it keeps soldiering on.
https://alnk.to/1C9z5dw
It is a very nice RDS and being fully made in the US does not hurt either.

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Delta Stryker 3.5-21x44 Wrap-up

This scope comes up a lot since I really like the configuration. It is time to do a final wrap-up of it.

It is one of my favourite scopes on the market today, especially for the money, since I naturally lean toward general purpose-ish designs. Still, while the 3.5-21x44 Stryker is relatively compact and light, it still clearly leans toward the precision side of things, which suites me very well.

https://annexdefense.com/optics-and-optic-accessories/delta-optics/

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Labor Day is upon us...

As we head into Labor Day, we will all be bombarded with a huge number of emails indicating impending discounts of all sorts.
I am not even going to pretend that I have the bandwidth to go through it all, but if I see something worthwhile, I'll post it here. This will remained pinned to the top of the feed for a week or so.

The first nice deal that crossed my path here is steep discount on the original version of the FFP PLxC LPVO from Primary Arms. https://alnk.to/5Q7R6eK
Now that the new version with nuclear bright illumination came out, it looks they are closing out the original. It is a lot of LPVO for $1100 and the version with the Meters reticle is my favourite. You can easily make it work for imperial units.

Anarchy Outdoors has 15% off on stocks, chassis and magazines with LABORDAY25 code. Generally, it is 10% off sitewide with the same code. My relatively routine recommendation, as far as the products they carry go, is the Area 419 mount ...

I was a bit confused at the beginning but this is a new Model looking at the turret compare to old LH2-10x40,
Any news on this ?
https://www.amazon.com/Vortex-Optics-Razor-Second-Riflescopes/dp/B0FBMNTW52?th=1

Updates, deals and new review items: PLxC RDB, Zeiss Tripod, etc

As the week is coming to an end, I find myself in an unusual place: home.

I plan to be home between now and September 1st when I have to go to Israel for ten days, returning on the 11th (dayjob stuff).

For the last couple of months, between family vacations, work and a couple of matches, it seems like I only spent enough time at home to check zero on my 6.5CM Fix and head out again (it has not shifted, thank you Area 419 mount).

I have a lot to do during the next two weeks, but I will try to take some pictures, film some footage and release it as I go along. I can edit videos on the plane or in Israel just about as well as I can at home.

While generally, I am very picky about what I accept for review (given my bandwidth limitations), I do have a few new things here worth talking about.

One is Primary Arms new PLxC RDB 1-8x24 LPVO. It is essentially a version of the original FFP PLxC LPVO except with different reticle illumination technology. The new model utilizes diffractive reticle illumination (same style ...

Well, that was a doozy...

My original plan was to try to set up a hunt where my daughter will have her first memorable hunting experience without working too hard.

The choice of the pronghorn hunt was largely based off of my experience in that same area last year.

The way it went last year was quite straightforward.  We drove around until we saw a large pronghorn buck.  It was a solitary animal that decided to lie down in an open area to relax.  We made a short stock, crawled the last hundred yards or so, found a good spot about 350 yards away from the pronghorn and made the shot.

https://darklordofoptics.locals.com/post/6034347/well-that-was-a-nice-morning

This year, when I decided to take my daugher on the same pronghorn hunt on the day of her 14th birthday, I figured it will be somewhere along those same lines.  It kinda was, but not quite.

Still, it worked out nicely.

In the pciture:

Q Mini-Fix with 6ARC 16" Proof Research carbon fiber barrel

Q Jumbo Shrimp supressor

Gunwerks Elevate 2.0 bipod

Telson Toxin 3-18x50 riflescope

Leica Geovid Pro AB+ LRF binoculars

Pint-sized sticky Gamechanger bag

Unnamed pronghorn buck.  It will likely get a name once it's skull is euro-ed and is hanging on the wall.

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Arming The Children
A couple of very specific children that is

In case you were wondering, no, I am not starting an underage militia.

I do have two kids though and I am teaching them to shoot.

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Steiner C35 Gen2 Mount
from Annex Defense

The production version of the Annex Defense's mount for the Steiner C35 Gen2 thermal Clip-on is finally here.  At $1600 (when this is published), the clip-on is an absolute steal.

I've had it for a few days, but, me being the good old paranoid me, I spent some time shooting with it before posting anything.  I had a couple of days with it prior to last weekend's match in Montana and a couple of days after.  Another to pop it on and off a few times and get a couple of hundred rounds of 6.5Grendel through the gun to see if anything shakes loose.  So far so good.

The C35 Gen2 clip-on is sitting on my 6.5Grendel AR as a part of a long running "Only One" project that I have.  It pairs perfectly with the Steiner H6Xi 2-12x42 scope.

Here is what comes in the box from Annex Defense:

The order in which the whole thing comes togethe is pretty stragihtforward:

-slide the thermal washer onto the threaded interface extending out of the back of the clip-on

-spin the mount itself onto the threaded interface (the mount is threaded on the inside) until it can go no further

-rotate the mount so that the clip-on is properly lined up to the picatinny clamp

-once you are happy with the alignment, use the three nylon tipped set screws (you'll need an allen wrench for that) to lock in the position of the clip-on in the mount.  You need very little torque on the set screws.  They are there for one reason and one reason only: to keep the mount from spinning when you tighten the timing nut in the next step

-spin the timing nut onto the threaded interface of the clip-on to lock the mount in place.  You should not need the timing nut wrench, but one is in there just in case.

Here are the pieces laid out in the order in which you will need them.

When you are done, it should look like this:

Note that the mount normaly comes with two T20 screws.  I am using two thumbscrews instead, since I am popping the mount on and off all the time.  It seems to be staying put with the thumbscrews just fine.  I am hoping Annex will offer the thumbscrews as an option.

It is not quite an equivalent of a QD mount, but we needed something with an extremely low profile clamp to fit under scopes with fairly large objectives.  As is, the mount works with most scope that have objective lens diameter of 50mm or less.

I am using with with Steiner H6Xi 2-12x42 and the two work together exceedingly well.

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